Call the Police With Information About Nechemya Weberman (Updated 2/28/11 – Available in Yiddish)
Nechemya Weberman was arrested and charged with allegedly sexually abusing a hasidic girl from Williamsburg starting when she was 12 years old. It is alleged that he exploited his position in the Vaad Hatznius (modesty committee) in Williamsburg to conduct private counseling sessions with this pre-teen girl. The police are continuing their investigation into allegations about other victims of Weberman.
Assuming these charges are true, it is essential that the police get as much evidence as possible to protect children from this rodef (violent pursuer) who engages in conduct that harms children in ways that threaten them emotionaly, spiritually, and physically. The risks of child sexual abuse are a matter of life and death (pikuach nefesh). Molestation can lead to suicides and drug overdoses. If you know anything that can help prosecute him you must act to protect other children. This is not a matter revenge or mesirah. Major poskim including Rav Moshe Sternbuch, Av Beis Din (head of the rabbinical court) of the Eidah Hachareidis clearly state that a molester is a rodef and reporting is justified to protect yourself and others from a rodef. Every Jew is under the torah obligation of lo saamod al dam reyachah (do not stand by on the blood of another).
If you have information that can help this investigation call the Brooklyn Police Department, Sex Crimes Unit at (718) 230-4418. Call even if the incidents happened so long ago that they are no longer punishable and even if the incidents happpened outside Brooklyn, New York State, or even the United States. The information you share may help the department successfully prosecute Weberman. DON’T WAIT TO CALL. DON’T COUNT ON SOMEONE ELSE DOING THE CALL FOR YOU. YOUR CALL MAY SAVE A LIFE!
If you held back and he gets away and returns to harm other children, you will be responsible. Don’t take that chance. We have to end this plague.
UPDATE (2/28/11- 9:30 am) For a Yiddish version of this posting go to Nuchem Rosenberg‘s Blog.
For an up to date posting on most recent developments as of 3-27-11 see HERE.
Pls everybody don’t call to report Anything, assuming mr Weberman is innocent do not try to fabricate new lies, and even it is true that he did what he did god forbid, you still shouldn’t report it cuz now he will no longer be in a position where he could harm anyone as he will surely be removed from his position. So the argument of “reporting is justified to protect yourself and others from a rodef” is not shyech here.
And to you yerachmiel i hope that one day you will get accused by an enemy of yours, then i’ll be here supporting the victim.
When you make a deposition at a trial, you are under oath, lying is punishable by law.
So it is not about “making up new lies” as Joel puts it, but about reporting incidents that really happened.
Joel, can you explain me why anybody should refrain from reporting sexual abuse to the police???
Can you explain to me why they should ? We are not talking about calling police if you see that a crime is ABOUT to happen, the issue here is that the crime ALREADY happened, so ? revenge ? thats the yiddishe way ?
I’m hoping this is a rhetorical question and that you really do know why a pedophile should be reported to police.
Otherwise, you are far more ridiculous then we all realized.
Thank you. This was a perfect reply.
I might add: If you do not know why one should report pedophiles, you and the environment that bred you are much more immoral than we all assumed.
May you child get molested, so you understand. Amen.
I understand the emotion that prompted that statement. I can even imagine a concept of justice where this low life commenter gets assaulted. But never can I see wishing it on his child. However much he deserves the anguish, his child does not.
Mimunof Shuch: Either don’t report anything because you don’t know anything or if you know true negative facts about evil conduct destroying Jewish children, report it to save them.
You, Joel, are accusing me of asking people to lie about Weberman. Once again, you are hypocrite, sh’ayn camohoo. You play the lashon horah tzadik to hush up his evil conduct violating the rule about telling things when there is a purpose. But you have no trouble lying about me and accusing me of encouraging others to lie.
Maybe you are not a hypocrite. Maybe, you are Weberman or one of his collaborators. So let me be clear for the sake of any weak minded readers who may have been misled by your comment.
DO NOT LIE TO THE POLICE. I am quite sure they want the truth. But if you know true facts about Weberman molesting children, report it to the police to protect other children.
Joel, you have never once made it clear whehter you think it is important to do things to protect children. Shteeka K’Hodaah (your silence implies your confession) that you either don’t care about the kedushah haguf of chasidish children or you are willing to trade it for the convenience and reputation of a macher. You are worse than Lot of Sodom who at least tried to protect his visitors.
You live in a hefker world of tumah. Do a tovah for erlich yiden and dont make it look like your protection scam for znus is based on kedushas torah.
I did make it clear , i believe that Lebovits belongs in jail he was a roidef, Weberman however is not snatching girls off the streets. If you don’t understand the diff then go fly a kit.
“Mimunoch Shuf”
LOL! What kind of word is this? Like a real Am Ha’oretz,
Thank you for pointing out my typo. Since that was your only reaction to a long reply I assume you agree with the rest or feel unable to come up with a decent rejoinder.
How in the world is he not in a position to harm children if he isn’t in jail?
The one who lets a crime happen is as bad as the criminal him self.. and you and i and the whole frum community are guilty of being silent, silent when for years this molesting was taking place before our own eyes.
Remember the Second World War. There where good christians, good people in this world. You know what ” good but silenced.” I hope you get my point!!
Whats the law of the torah if someone comes to kill you, you must kill him first!!
This is worse than killing. because every time a victim reminds him self of such criminal acts he gets killed over and over.. No mercy for the criminal let them go down the pipes.
This Joel guy sounds like he may be related to Weberman…
No, I AM Weberman!!
Joel, even if he’s removed from a position that doesn’t prevent him from being a sexual predator. You are willing to enable someone who may be a molester to continue their behavior unabated. May you have the z’chus to join him in a double bunked prison cell.
@ sara the reason why he will not be in a position to harm anymore children is because even he dosent get into jail he’ll be on probation for a very long time and he’ll be porbited to go in any area that such a thing is able to happen so before you call the police think if you’re calling for the sake of our children or for the sake of taking a father and husband of a jewish family and till now respected guy and through him in to jail for who knows till when
@AVi – so are you saying that even if he raped a child, someone should think twice before calling the police because he is “father and husband of a jewish family and till now respected guy”?
CORRECT!!! The yente got it right for once!! Revenge leave for the goyim.
Isn’t justice one of the Mitzwoth bney noach?
And you as a Jew do not want to apply it?
Or do you think he should just marry her, no harm done?
@ sara I just answered your question that asked ” How in the world is he not in a position to harm children if he isn’t in jail? ” So I explained you because he won’t be in the reach of children since he’s going to be on probation
@AVi – perhaps its just me, but you also made it seem as though one should consider if the molester is a “father and husband of a jewish family and till now respected guy” and perhaps that would be a reason not to make the call (because it’s not).
I was just looking for you to clarify.
Avi, it is apparent that you do not have any understanding of pedophilia that is understandable, not everyone has an understanding, but the average person with half a brain will not comment with such callousness toward the victims, which you exhibit. For you it is all about the accused nothing about the potential new victim. In pedophilia, the recidivism rates are high; therefore, society cannot let down their guard. Another point I need to make the victims needs to heal. It is very important that a victim have the ability to confront the molester. For that, alone it is imperative that each victim speaks up and seeks justices. If you have not been a victim, you will never understand it, and good for you, but that does not mean that you should close your heart to all other victims, which according to all statistical models must be. If there is one episode, there are others. Finally stop taking the side of the aggressor, remember, when you were a child how naïve and trusting you were. Any child is a potential victim. Moreover, you were lucky that nobody harmed you. So give back to the community and help victims not aggressors.
I was just replying to the sara’s question “How in the world is he not in a position to harm children if he isn’t in jail? and I wasn’t talking about your concerns at all
I would like to hear how you would reply to my concerns.
@ AVi
I also would like to hear how you’d reply to OMG’s concerns. Your response to mine were very unclear, and it seems OMG understood my point.
Sara, my post was only a continuation of yours; obvious that he did not understand that my point about the recidivism rates was in direct contradiction of his view that because he might be on supervised release therefore he will not be able to commit any more transgressions against children. Regardless, what Avi said, all molesters are mandatory reports, and under supervision but the recidivism, rates are high. Therefore, supervision is not just the answer.
@ OMG – Completely in agreement with you. I was just waiting to see if he would draw that conclusion (I’m not holding my breath).
@ sara @ omg I sad it very clear if there is a 1% chance that this should happen again if he dosent go to jail then you should do anything to prevent that from happening and if its calling the police then go ahead and call the police but if its just for revenge LEAVE IT FOR HASHEM I think he’ll do a better job then you in the revenge part
A-one AVI !!! Leave revenge to god.
@AVi – the recidivism rate for pedophiles is extremely high, so there is much more than a 1% chance of him doing it again (if he hasn’t already), if he is not in jail.
As Yerachmiel (and other commentors) pointed out, its not about revenge.
(If you aren’t sure what recidivism means, google it)
You also only know it from Google , Google makes you sound literate.
@ joel,
Being literate makes me literate.
Nothing like a (lame) personal jab to avoid the issue. Try again.
Avi, how dare you say that ppl shud refrain from going to the police!
Let’s say for arguments sake tha t children will be safe as long as he’s on probation (which I don’t agree is true). Can you contemplate In your little mind what kind of message that would send to the thousands of frum perpertrators still on the streets??
Why are u protecting those animals? Huh? Is it bc u do the same thing in your spare time?
@ A the comment section on this site is made for everyone to be able to bring out there thoughts about the subject that is on the table and if you have something personal to say on somebody please keep it to your self ( refaring to your last few words )
I read her a lot of talk. As if prison is only to stop one offending again. Prison is also a deterrent. In Jewish law punishments avail. Like malkus given for most aveiros. It is not good enough just to stop him doing it again. That never works he will always find a way round it. A period in prison is the best cure for a Jewish person. You can be sure he wont want to go back there even for the free board and lodging. If these Jewish people wouldnt be so insular and he wouldnt have thought he could get away with it he would never have even thought of doing it. Yes he belongs in prison, whatever his rebbe says. I just saw a picture of his rebbe on FM sitting next to a former prisoner and giving him shiraim. At least Weberman can console himself that when he comes out he will be sitting at the top table next to the rebbe. Prison works wonders, it makes you do tshuva which reaches till the ‘kisai hakovod’. i e next to the rebbe.
really, if joel/AVi are the best spokesmen that weberman and his cronies have, we have nothing to worry about.
hey joel. dont know about your torah but my torah says as follows. shoftim veshotrim teeten lecha. refering to setting up a police force in your cities and a court system is a must. according to u why call the police and why set up a police force. ?secondly why does bais din punish even after the person is no longer a danger. bais din even carries out capital punishment even after the person is locked up. are u saying bais din is out for revenge too?
Bais din YES court NO. And when did bais din carry out any punishment without 2 witnesses ?
Yes of course. If he is a danger, they lock him in for the rest of his life. If they know he did it, but lack the Eidim, they find an “elegant” way of killing him without it being an execution (give him oats, let him dring water, till his stomach explodes)
Drink water was for a Soite, please don’t try to show your genius here.
But here is what the Gmure says that may shock you, “Someone walks into a house with a clean knife and comes out with a the knife bloodied all over , after that people go in to that house to find a dead body, now whats the Jewish law ?
I wait for your answer.
No, that’s not what I’m referring to.
If they cannot prove that he should be executed but are sure he did it, they let him starve, gave him something to eat that would swell with water and then let him drink as much water as he wished and his stomach would explode.
This way, he got his punishement, but the court did not execute him.
The rambam says if someone does something with out wittnesses but you know he did it you beat him until almost dead so I think prison is okay!!
Avi if this comment section is meant for ppl to say anything they want then why can I not do just that? Do u consider yourself privilaged?
Anyone who protects a child molester is almost as bad as the molester himself- in fact perhaps just as bad bc then he will go on to abuse again and again and again.
It’s bc of ppl like u that the animals on the streets are still walking them!
If they had no support they would have no way to hide their filthy acts.
A very small percentage of cases where someone has been accused of sexual abuse have been found to be false.
Tell me would YOU admit to being raped just for revenge?
Tell me the truth avi would you?
You apparently don’t now all details of this story, this is not a clean innocent girl accusing weberman, no, her father caught her with a 17 year old (young) buchir and the father along with weberman helped out in this case so she strikes back against weberman as she has nothing to lose.
Yes, indeed, Molested girls are not “clean, innocent”, because their innocence was taken away from them much to early, by force.
Therefore your argument can well be used against the defendent.
I meant “clean innocent” in the STREETS (Faar The Gaas) . Duh !!
You don’t understand.
If a girl is raped at age 12, it might well be that she develops promiscuous behaviour. This is one of the indicators of abuse in small children.
joel. lebovitz was also not a clean cut case so why are u calling him a rodef.
cuz lebovits was well known for what he was.
there werent two witnesses by lebovitz so why is he a rodef and therefore guilty. is weingarten a rodef too?
@ jj please bring anywhere in the torah where it states that in our days when we do not have a BIS DIN SMICHA you should go to court
rambam. specifically says that in times of. no baisdin we are required to listen to the secular courts and law enforcment
does the rambam say we should listen to a jury of 12 imbeciles ? Is OJ Simpson really innocent cuz a jury said so ? Whom are u kidding ?
rambam does not say that u cant appeal . why are u so concerned about oj suddenly? according to u he needs two eidim so therefore. he got off
you’re a good manipulator i wont bother with you.
@ dir – lol – considering joel’s last comment, looks like that’s as much of a concession as you are going to get! Mazel tov!
cant stand that sara is so happy, so ill answer you, I ask you according to you that you have so much faith in the court system what sense does it make that oj got away ? It was obvious that he was guilty , and no, i dont care that he got away and neither do i think that for a goy you need 2 eidim, the torah is for us not for them. The answer is he got away cuz he is a celebrity, so ill ask you again if the rambam wud trust this system ? If ul distort my points again as if you’re dumb i really wont bother with you anymore and let sara be happy.
@ joel – wow! I’m almost honored that you consider my happiness (or lack of it) so much. On the other hand, the fact that I even cross your mind kinda creeps me out, but just so you know, most of your comments are laughable and make me (and I’m sure, others here) chuckle a bit.
If this offends you, perhaps you need to stop commenting until you learn not to let people (especially random ones on the internet) bother you so.
@joel
According to torah, where you need two Eidim, oj simpson and most of murderers, rapists, etc would go free. You state that Torah is the only true justice system.
So why does it bother you that oj got off?
Because it bothers me that you think that only a person who did his crime in presence of two kosher Eidim and was warned should go to jail.
Because as far as I understand, this is a perversion of the true torah law and it makes the torah look quite ridiculous, and this bothers me.
Avi, based on your assertion, that if there is even only a one percent changes that he will molest again then we should go to the police. Then you Sara and I are in full agreement. Based on the fact studies show, the recidivism rate is at least 53% on the low-end, and 85.6% on the high-end.
@sara- talk about avoiding the issue! ,what happened to my so called concession that made you so happy ? wud you care to comment on my answer to mr dir ?
again AV you are a tipish and an idiot and ul not make me repeat my point again. AL TAANEH KSIL.
@ sara @ omg I hear what you say I don’t disagree but in this case with rabbi weberman the story is a little different if you know him a little
Bet those that knew Jeffrey Dahmer “a little” thought he was a great guy too.
Avi, let me reason with you, you need to understand a pedophile per se does not have a mark of Cain on his forehead. There is no description or distinction, which would alert you or anybody else to the pedophiles action. Moreover, any pedophile who has only part of his faculties working, will not share his sexual molestation exploits with friends and family. The stalk their prey in the same way, as an animal is looking for the young and weak. Therefore, the moment we hear a person was arrested for raping a twelve year old, at a minimum you should say, I would not trust this person with my child. Even if I would like to give him the benefit doubt as long as the trial did not occur. Nevertheless, at the end of the trial, if he was found guilty, then he belongs in jail period. Please allow me to circle back to our original discussion you are misguided if you say you have a personal relationship therefore, you believe in his innocence. I would to hear from you, if he is found guilty regardless, what your heart tells you. You want him to sit in jail, as long he take action like admitting to his guilt and go for therapy.
AVi They are all different when you know them a little. But AVi you don’t know jack about him. I bet that you believe that he never did it either and that the charges are false just like the guys who “know” Weingarten.
AVI What the hell wrong with you?
You won’t give up on your protection of murderers of the souls of innocent children?
What does that tell us about you?
Who are you?
Do you do the same filthy things that weberman has done? Are you scared you are going to be caught next?
Why are you spending so much time writing on this blog protecting pedpphiles?
@A , No its actually those who accuse others who are themselves guilty of those crimes, not the other way around.
@ A acting like a maniac won’t make you right and just stoping to talk about our subject and start screaming like an idiot won’t bring anybody to think the way you do
@ dir I never heard of this RAMBAM !! anybody did ? But if its true what you say that the rambam says so then I agree with JJ 100% ca you please locate that RAMBAM
Joel, you’re really an ass. Those who accuse are guilty themselves? Someone accuses Weberman of being a pedophile so that means they must be one themselves? You’re no different then radical Muslims who demand to live under Sharia law.
Jay, by “those who accuse” i mean one who is simply an observer (like you in this case) not the ones who’re involved in the case.
now calm down.
joel. why are you ok with lebowitz and weingarten rotting away in jail when there were no witnessess?
I’m not ok with it at all, the issue here is whether we should believe it or not, in lebowitz’s case i know – and its known – that he was a rodef. Now, would that be enough to convict him al pi torah ? No!
I said that he belongs in jail, for how long ? maybe a year or 2 years for a lesson but 30 years of course not. The weingarten story i still don’t believe to be true. Next case
That’s odd joel- I personally know lebovits – knew him since I was a kid. Infact, he was my rebbe when I was learning chumash. Did I mention I am a munkatcher….
In my day there were no allegations whatsoever – people I speak to (mutual REAL munkatcher acquaintances) also are flabbergasted. They feel he was railroaded.
Folks like yerachmiel (who throw rocks while hiding behind pseudonyms) claimed that ‘ more victims were coming out’ always conveniently before a trial date -( conviently these never happened or they were JUST beyond the statute of limitations). The conviction itself relied on testimony of a fairly unreliable witness (regardless of what you think of lebovits’s guilt – the witness/accuser was not convincing in his testimony and fact-recollections).
I also know of some well respected people (no – not rabbis) who considered testifying on lebovits’s behalf but were scared to due to fear that they’d be Yerachmiel/Nuchem’s next victims.
To bo clear:
I do not know for sure that lebovits was innocent
but
I know him alot better than any of you
I know that he did not stand a chance in this hyper-aggravated sex-abuse climate
While I do not condone sexually predatory activity – and I do believe we need to combat it- I strongly feel that the people representing themselves as our ‘protectors’ are degenerates who often use poor scholarship to make their case – and are not beyond destroying an innocent (or two or three innocent people) in the name of their cause.
The fact that you ‘know’ lebovits’s guilt only underscores the success of their ‘throw as much at the wall an see if something will stick’ attitude.
dear Joe you wont have a hard time convincing me to your side of the story , maybe you’re right about lebovitz but somehow someway the verdict was out on him with the agreement of almost everyone, gotta wonder why that was the case, and i also heard from friends that i trust that he was guilty of it, but now reading what you have to say i’m confused about it.
And what you write quote: “I strongly feel that the people representing themselves as our ‘protectors’ are degenerates who often use poor scholarship to make their case”
You couldn’t have said it any better, shell we start with that Pig and Noief Nuchim Rosenberg ? That guy is so lucky that he raped a few girls in the Ukraine and not in the USA (As per Reb Feivish Mendlovitch from Oizer Dalim)
I lived not far from Nuchim in williamsburg and had to hear his BS stories for 20 years and see him Succos in Clymer shul with an Asrig big like a watermelon cuz thats the only way he got attention there, aside from being the pig that he is , he is a real nut case meshigener and a liar/fantasizer , but guess what ?! He is the idol whom the Putz Yerachmiel & many others worship… Go figure.
As far as I remember Lebovitz admitted his guilt before he was judged. I think he said he himself was molested as a boy.
one or two years? joel. are you totally demented? he ruin peoples lives . yes for a lifetime and you have the chutzpah to be ok with giving lebovitz one to two years just as a lesson? when your son, daughter or wife gets raped then i wanna see if you will be singing the same tune.
Dear dir…… Your true colors are coming out, i’m not a fardurbener like you with a goyshe mindset of revenge, even if it was my daughter i still wouldn’t want revenge like you do, if you want revenge then go and kill him, if you want he shouldn’t be out doing it again then 2 years in jail will straighten him out knowing that if he does it again he will be back in jail and for longer.
I don’t knw who the lier is and if its a lie the story maybe not but to go testify against a jew is the most ridicules thing I EVER heard and 1 thing I can say who ever does doesn’t have an ounce manners and ur a piece of garbage
So you mean that if a jew chopped your hand off, you would not sue him for damages & criminal offense?
Very brave, though, I doubt it is true.
I think that in this case, your reasoning would go along the lines: he chopped my hand off, so he is a rasha, because ehrliche, frumme yidden do not go around and chop peoples hands off, and therefore he is not considered “reecha” any more, he is a hypocrite, an apicores and therefore I am allowed to sue him.
Exactely the same is the case if a “frum, g-dfearing” Jew goes around and rapes girls or boys. By the act in itself, he proved that he was a hypocrite and neither frum, nor g-d fearing, and therefore the victim has a Chiuv, le toelet, to warn others about him. The victim does not go on hearsay, they lived through it with their own body.
It’s as simple as that.
In the end, it is an issue of credibility of two sides, accuser and defendent, and in this case, the whole “two witnesses” thing does not even come to play. It is just about deciding who is more credible. In this case, you have an issur of shohad and hakarat panim. So it plays no role whether the defendent is kosher le eidut and the victim is not. It is just about determining who is lying in a contradictory story.
wow AV you are a real idiot and tipish, ‘nuf said.
That’s all the arguments you can bring up?
So I have proven my point.
Yerachmiel Lopin is a pure evil person. You cut out the most negative part of the already negative NY Post articles, and you blow it up even more. You think that N. Weberman doesn’t have blood? Do you know for sure he did what ONE rebellious girl said he did so she gets back at him for trying to stop her love relationship with a boy who kept on getting girls more the merrier while he worked in that sandwich place leaving notes with his phone number?
No 1 ever accused mr. Weberman of lurking to go find girls and sexually touch them. All you got is an accusation that once a girl was in his office he got to the point where he got so close to her that he molested her.
Beware that shedding his blood out in the street might be worse than what he is accused of. We are Jews, and gemara says RATHER THROW YOURSELF INTO AN INCINIRATING OVEN THAN TO EMBARRAS THE FACE OF YOUR FELLOW JEW.
Yes. U must take on consideration his blood, all of his children and his entire family. This girl is known for the worst, and even if she is true here, it could be solved in a better way
Uerachmiel, don’t take the Jewish law in your own hands. Spilling jewish like u do awaits a heavy punishment from up there. Seeing is believing.
“RATHER THROW YOURSELF INTO AN INCINIRATING OVEN THAN TO EMBARRAS THE FACE OF YOUR FELLOW JEW.”
What did you just do with the girl, who I am sure, is identifiable when you are closed up, and the young man?
Should you throw yourself into the fire rather then write what you wrote?
Uh, Dan…you just embarrassed that girl and boy so practice what you preach, especially if you’re going to put it in CAPS! So the more the molester lovers speak the more you make people not take you seriously…..you guys are really entertaining! Keep it up!
@ mindy Stop with this BS, this “poor” girl does not get the benefits now that we should not embarrass her since SHE is the one accusing others of such crimes, CUT IT YOU YENTE YOU.
So you pick and choose whom you are allowed to embarrass….just like you pick and choose what mitzvahs suits you best. Like I said, the more you guys talk the more you incriminate yourself. Keep on entertaining the masses!!!!
no you go ahead and keep entertaining the masses, the average guy understands my point even before i wrote it.
How do you know the accusation is unfounded?
Check out the chofetz chaim. Is it allowed to tell that someone is telling a lie without being able to prove it?
No. It’s lashon hara.
So there we are.
She is perfectly allowed, even obligated to speak out if it happened to her, since in this case she is sure it happened.
@Mindy – Every good blog needs a couple of clowns to keep things entertaining! I’m sure if he could, Mr. Lopin would throw them some $ to supplement their welfare checks.
Every good blog needs a couple of ladies to prove what the Gmure saya “Nushim Daaten Kalos” which is basically a nice way of saying “Women Are Idiots”.
lol – can we all say “misogynist”.
your poor wife/mother/female children.
(you do realize the more you post here, the less seriously we take your POV, right?)
LMAO! He takes one foot, puts it into his mouth, and then takes the other and puts it in there as well…….So if woman are idiots, how do you trust your wife with keeping your kitchen kosher, spending all day with your kids, not adding chicken to the cholent on shabbos, and most importantly, keeping taharas hamishpacha. I hope you really didn’t say this about Esther Hamalka who was the voice for the Yidden, and all the other Tzadekes in the Torah who were the voice of the woman!!!!!!! This is another example how they take the Torah and twist it to benefit their perverted way!
@Meforash @Mindy,
This POOR girl already embarrassed a herself.
When I go in the street and scream out Mindy is a thief, Meforash is a molester.. But then you go in the streets and tell everyone that Dan is a liar and has some sick agenda. Did you embarrass me?…
@ Dan … wrote “Yerachmiel Lopin is a pure evil person. You cut out the most negative part of the already negative NY Post articles, and you blow it up even more.”
I agree. And how reliable is the NY post in the first place? … and for that matter any other media reporters. They make mistakes too. They don’t always have accurate information ….. But, although we are supposed to give our fellow jews the benefit of the doubt, Lopin loves to believe every piece of shmutz avialble out there, about yidden, takes it at face value, and then simply pours that persons blood in the streets. (A real Gitte Neshuma)
(As far as Weberman, i don’t know who the guy is, never heard of him before, and i have no say in the matter.)
But what i do know is that this tzadik Lopin, recently brought a news article (not molestation) from a goyshe paper, and added his own wicked comments, on this site, about a specific detail mentioned in the report, which was falsly reported ..
… quite simple – the lousy -(high school drop out?)- news reporter used the wrong term – let’s assume it was just a “human error” (mistake) – Lopin took that detail, added his kind comments and thoughts about the guy, and put the guy and his entire family to shame, made him look like a criminal for years to come.
I happen to know that guy personally, and i am familiar with the details of the story, and that specific detail was wrongly reported. I did my own investigative homework.
Perhaps Yerchmiel has reported a few true stories in the past, that does not mean whatever he tells us should be taken at face value. Yerachmiel, (if you really are inclined to believe a goy a against a yid) before you spill your brothers blood, wouldn’t you at least double check the media for every single detail?
Think about it … let me use an example here … say G-D forbid you were involved in a car accident, and a reporter on the scene thought you seemed to be under the influence, and reported it that way … the next thing you hear is that you are on wicked internet blogs “Yerchmiel Lopin killed a shvartze while driving drunk!” … would you like that ?
In conclusion, Yerachmiel Gittskeit Lopin, is, to say the least, absolutly not creditworthy.
BRAVO BRAVO !!! Finally the good reasonable guys are coming out to fight those tumene blood suckers like yerachmiel (certainly not living up to his name… and co.)
Now yerachmiel you’ve gotten a good beating from Mr Analyzer who’s English/ Grammar is better than mine, ouch that must hurt.
@ Mr. Analyzer,
After reading more than one story that our tzadikel Yerachmiel bring onto here, and the added salt, pepper and m ore spices, sometimes even sugar. also cuts away and makes it fit to his liking, I didnt bother commenting. But this time I decided to voice the voice of truth.
Truth is that Yerachmiel (loshon of Rachmonos…) Lopin (Loshon of lopsided) is blood smearer. Truth is that no one saw any prove of Nechemia/ye Webermans story. Truth is that no credible person came forward besides a girl with a serious problematic situation for years. A girl who has an agenda not just with Mr Weberman but with her father (and maybe mother too).
Yerachmiel, you really think that you are free to do what you are doing here? Hashem knows who you are, and you know how wrong you are. Hashem will reach you. Hurting people the way you do has very harsh consequences. Your day will come and it will get harsh on you.
p. s. Nochum Rosenberg doesnt have a good minute in his life. He has lost everything that a normal being has. If you are him, or if you are his mirror your end will be triumph.
1. I feel for his family, but his family’s blood is not redder than the blood of his victim’s family.
2. You write, “No 1 ever accused mr. Weberman of lurking to go find girls and sexually touch them. All you got is an accusation that once a girl was in his office he got to the point where he got so close to her that he molested her.” This is pilpul of the worst sort. You are making an irrelevant distinction. Does it matter if he looked for her or had him in her office and then took advantage of her?
3.I am pure evil because I chose not to focus on the sad fact that girls who are sexually victimize when they are twelve are not 100% tznuah when they are 16. My g-d, is that the most important fact to you? Even if she were a chazer fressing apikorus married to a shaygetz, at 18, how would that lessen the significance of what he did to her when she was 12. The police investigated. They satisfied themselves and others that he did various acts with her including rape starting when she was 12 years old. Tell me, do you think being raped at 12 might interfere with the standard chinuch and message of the community. Just maybe, do you recognize that if the charge is true, it could affect the behavior of a 16 year old. Or do you hold to the view that rape is no big thing, but accusing someone of it is terrible. Please, just redeem my faith in human nature in a small way and let me know that you are not completely morally bankrupt.
@ Yerachmiel,
” I feel for his family, but his family’s blood is not redder than the blood of his victim’s family.”
1. Rather be oiver on Issur Eshes ish “ve’al yalbin bnei chaveiro Berabim” ! (Bava Metizia somewhere daf 98 or so).
” This is pilpul of the worst sort. You are making an irrelevant distinction.”
2. Whatever the case is, no record that he did, and that he is looking to get girls. My point is that he is not out looking and lurking for girls. But it isnt my original argument.
“I am pure evil because I chose not to focus on the sad fact that girls who are sexually victimize when they are twelve are not 100% tznuah when they are 16. My g-d,”
3. You are evil because you are doing all this sensitive Dinei Nefoshos on your own hand. No psak of a Bes Din. You are doing all this on your leisure and its sort of a pleasure of yours. Yes, it is.
I dont know what Weberman really did, you also dont know. But we all know what you are doing.
Ein Onshin Elo im ken Mazhirin!… If you are warned then you will be punished.
1. So you would not kill or embarrass a rodef. Poskim are clear, molesters are rodfim.
2. Who cares whether is he is lurking, looking or just raping without looking and lurking. Doesnt your yeshiva teach about the difference between the ikkar and the tofel (the essential vs the incidental or subsidiary feature)?
3. Yes, for certain things people get warnings. But again, stop being a lazy bochur. Read the piskei halachah (Jewish law rulings) and you will understand why R. Sternbuch of the Eidah and others support going to the police about the sexual or physical abuse of Jewish children. Maybe even read the the entire set of articles in the halachic journal Jeshurun. Your quotes are halachically irrelevant without incorporating the rulings of later poskim. Joel, are you a neo-Kaaraite who rejects poskim when they don’t serve your cover-up purposes.
Joel, do the homework or admit you are another one of the bums in chasidish world whose years in yeshiva are wasted,as they consume cigarettes, coffee and kakash while impoverishing their parents and in-laws. Behave like a serious learner instead of trying to get away with quotes that every bar mitzvah boy knows. Either that or take off your levush and go around like a goy or wear a satin shpitz yarmulke.
Yerachmiel, on your second point–
“This is pilpul of the worst sort. You are making an irrelevant distinction. Does it matter if he looked for her or had him in her office and then took advantage of her?”
Most commentators here (you included) are concerned that he will continue harming children, if thats really ur concern how can you not see the diff between (1) if he looked for her or (2) had him in her office and then took advantage of her ?? He will not be in that position again!!!
Well my wife knows her place is in the kitchen or does other stuff where women RULE, but you , mindy etc are not in the right place , i wouldn’t take your POV seriously even before you start saying it.
Joel,
You are an am haaretz gamur. You have no understanding of why we owe so much to nashim tzidkoniyos. It is not because of cooking. It is because they saw things first and showed courage first. The right place for a woman (and a man) is always with the yossom, almonoh and anyone else oppressed and against chazzerim. Now the one advantage women often have is they pay more attention to the wellbeing of childrren and often notice when something is wrong before the men.
Talk to the women. Also have them edit your english. maybe even read and think for you.
Joel please keep coming back. Your stupidity is illuminating and it stimulates my readership.
Thank youy
Right on…… But women have no say in Halacha, and their opinion on whether someone is guilty or not has no significance.
I don’t have all day to argue with molesters, molester enablers and their ilk, because I actually work for a living and pay “your” bills. I’ll leave it at, the House of Cards are finally crumbling from top to bottom, and all this noise is them shaking in their boots. So while we get called idiots, etc. etc., by guys who have innocent kids’ blood on their hands, we are one step closer to giving our and “their” kids a safer future.
You are so right mindy, as a matter of fact i’m molesting a boy right now as we speak…. Have a nice day and keep paying my bills.
@joel – you’ve crossed the line and are a sick sob. Hopefully Mr. Lopin has your IP address recorded.
@ Sara, mindy labeling me a molester for simply disagreeing with her has crossed the line right there and then!!
And ill defend myself in a satirical way!! If you don’t know what satire is, go to your beloved teacher GOOGLE.
@ Sara,
Name calling doesnt make you win your argument.
“Satirical” implies you are being funny. What is funny about saying you are molesting boys?
What is funny about calling me & moses & dan molesters or molester enablers ?
Nothing. You are enablers (and probably the same person).
Perhaps your wife is the anonymous woman writing about being abused by a hypocritical Znius-Zealot who would play all kinds of pervers sex “games” with her, without her consent?
Nice to meet you. I always wanted to hear the other side…
Nothing funny ? If she crosses the line i will too, now get lost for heavens sake and get back to me when you wanna share a good food recipe.
There is a difference between crossing the line and calling you out.
Recipes? Ask my husband – he’s the cook in the family.
Depends how you call out. If i’ll call you out as a shikse stripper zoine etc that would be crossing the line.
WARNING- YOU SHAYGETZ MENUVAL- CLEAN UP YOUR ACT- I AM NEAR THE END OF MY PATIENCE WITH YOU.
Joel –
We were talking about calling YOU out, which is what Mindy did. Try to follow along.
Anyway – our point was to get you to show your true colors, which you have. Thanks for playing! (Not that we didn’t know what you were before, but getting you to actually show it was the goal.)
When we need another blog pet, we’ll call you.
You can ban me from your blog , no need to get high blood pressure
You are limited to
one comment a day
from here on in. You have abused my hospitality and a discussion space that should be used constructively. Also, be civil, polite, menschlich. This may even be for your good. Instead of monopolizing our time and trying to overwhelm us you might even work your way to being thoughtful. But I don’t want to set the bar too high for you. See if you can cope with being on probation?
Yoeli, you wrote “Now get lost for heavens sake and get back to me when you wanna share a good food recipe.”
Earth to Yoeli: This is my website. I did the work of setting it up and I do the work of maintaining it. I am the baalhabayis. Where do you come off kicking out my guests. You are my guest. Yes, one of my most ignorant, offensive and boorish guests, but still my guest.
I tolerate you because, unlike you and your like-minded goons and fraudsters on the vaad hatznius, I believe open debate is good. I believe that good ideas will win out over bad ideas when there is open honest debate. When thoughtful honest people argue the end product is often better than either alone could have produced. When stupid people argue with reasonable people good also results, because others get to see the weaknesses exposed in bad arguments. You are here because I feel we gain from having the weaknesses of your argument exposed.
I will let you continue to offer bad arguments. But don’t insult women as a group. Don’t have the chutzpah to imagine you can make the rules on who can be here. If you are a mesnch you will offer an apology for your rudeness.
Either way, DONT EVER AGAIN ORDER AROUND OTHERS ON THIS SITE. If you want a site to abuse and bully create your own site.
Stop putting on airs here like you are a Continental maven in fashion. Being a parasite does not mean you come from Paris.
There is a boss in this world who is very upset with your site, we call him hashem. I’ll NOT apologize when im rude to ppl who are rude to me or talk down to me, Sorry.
Yoeli, According to chazal, the era of neviim is over. Ailu v’ailu applies. There is place for disagreement about how to interpret the rules of lashon horah, mesirah, din rodef, lo taamod al dam reyachah, etc. The positions I have taken are much closer to recent poskim who have written about molesting than your comments. But I know there is a dispute. I understand your arguments and take the trouble to address them. You have never shown the least evidence of bothering to read a psak by R. Sterbuch, R. Moshe Halberstam, Zatzal, R Elyashiv, R. SZ Auerbach, the Tzitz Eliever (R. E. Waldenberg) etc. Do you even know what the Rashbah said about turning over criminals to goyish courts to have them executed?
Yoeli, You say there is a boss. I am sorry to have to tell you, you are not his chief spokesperson.
Weberman is also not his spokesperson. He may be a malach but he is no angel. Not to the bes din shel maalah. And when the goyish beit din is finished with him he will be stuck in a cell. He wont fly away. He will be carried out by the chevrah kadishah.
Yerachmiel, why should i read any of the psukim from the rabbis you mentioned about molesters when i already pointed out to you million times that my problem here is not with confirmed molesters but with ppl who are only accused of it!! What in that point dont you get ????????? And why are u so biased against them before the trial ??
And to your second comment. My gosh who is pretending here to be his chief spokesperson ?? Did I open a blog to pretend to be his chief spokesperson ?? Look in the mirror.
Joel and likeminded,
Let us get straight to the point, people with your view are the root of all-evil in this world, from the early days of prophecy we were warned be aware of the false prophets and teachers. When someone is trying to have a civil debate with you or your ilk, you try to hijack to Torah to argue his or her view. Get it straight, as young kids we learned that the Torah was giving to live with it and not to die with it. Get it; go tell other idiots that according to Torah it is ok to keep a secret if someone raped a child so we do not offend the rapist. With your view, you would have been the chief Judge in Sodom and Gamora, you logic is on par with them.
Additionally, the only reason you are Jewish is because an accidental copulation of your father and mother, not because of love of Hashem and the Torah. If you had born as a Muslim, you surely would be a jihadist, and if you were born into a Christian family, you would for sure you would participate if not organize the burning of the Jews at the inquisition. Any person who would defend a convicted rapist like Lebovitz and Weingarten, using the Torah and is not family, is evil to the core. There is no discussion needed. Finally do not try hide behind the lie that you would only support someone who is accused, but if you know he was convicted then you would not support him. So tell us which convicted molester you would like to see in jail for a long time, gave us the name.
Translation: G-d authorized me to be rude! Even when one is under an obligation of hocheach tochiach it should be done in a menschlich way. Even Pinchos the Kanoi would have been chayev misah if Zimri stopped his act at the moment he was attacked and killed.
Sorry, you seem like a kanoi thug who twists the torah like a pretzel baker to have the conclusions come out where it suits you.
mr analyzer. well said. every word is tru. thank u.
@badchan, agreed!! Read my comment that follows Mr analyzer.
Joel, I will remind you about the rules for commenting on this site:
Rules for Comments
Don’t insult others. Don’t hock away. If you have made your point and someone doesnt agree, don’t dump the same thing ten times. You are just shouting in internet fashion. We don’t bully each other. Don’t call someone an ignoramous. By all means share information and explain why you think it it relevant.
Made up names or your real name are fine. Passing yourself off as another real person is slimy. Don’t do six posts in a row under six different names to make it seem like five people agree with you. That is another form of screaming and monopolizing. It is even worse because it is deceptive.
Please use links rather than pasting in large chunks of material. Follow that with a brief description. This method respects other people’s copyright and allows the comments section to focus on the thoughts of our readers.
I will enforce these rules. At my discretion I will issue warnings, delete individual comments and ban serious or persistant abusers. At my discretion I will explain my decisions. Since I am doing this on my time I will not feel obliged to waste it by arguing about it with bullies who try to get their way by wearing down other people.
Yerachmiel , So far i didnt break any rule, joel is my real name and i post only under that name, i insult those who insult me. Mindy should read the first rule before calling me and others molesters/enablers , or is that not an insult ?
Joel believes it or not, anytime a person takes the side of the aggressor they are enablers. You could argue that regardless, that you are an enabler, but the way you interpret the Torah, in your view it is ok to be an enabler. On the other hand, Sara, Mindy has the right and the facts on their side that indeed you are an enabler. No matter what you say, you will still be marked with the mark of Cain.
@ OMG – Just to clarify, I completely agree with Mindy (and you!)
@ OMG
Question is who is the aggressor in this story.
The goyim who use to make Blood Libels, use to call the Jews as aggressors!
For those who are pro-Zionists, Arbas call the Israeli government as “Aggressors”.
You can argue who is the aggressor, the one who calls some one a killer (when there is very little to believe, or to not believe at all), or the falsely accused person?
Dan;
Arguing just for the sake of argument without putting forward a coherent though will not make you right or even wrong. I do not understand why you brain has a problem to process simple ideas. You see normal human beings use the brains to make inferences, i.e. if someone is charged with a crime against a minor he is the aggressor. Therefore, you could talk about what happened in the Stone Age that is ok with me your brain is still in the Stone Age. However, we are in the 21st century. For us, suffice to say, we believe in our judicial system. It is not perfect but it is the best what humans have to offer.
joel and all the rest of your personalities.
Perhaps you have MPD, if you dont know what that is, u can Google it.
or maybe you r suffering from stockholm syndrome, where you idfentify with the abuser- were you molested when you were a child? Did Weberman rape you? Are you his protector? Is that why you continue to abuse? Bc you ARE abusive. as many others have said, anyone who sides with rapists are enablers.
where is your sensitivity? To joke that you are in the middle of molesting some boys?? That is so so sick!
Shame on you for putting that on this blog.
I hope u get banned, we dont need ppl like you around here.
joel, i have no words except that you are pathetic and I’m actuall begining to feel ever so slightly sorry for you. You have spent so much time and energy arguing over something that is documnted and clear to all- and u keep on and on- …..
i also noticed that u get angry when anyone mentions that perhaps u abuse – i wonder why?
I would laugh if anyone suggested that about me…. what does that say about you?? mmm i wonder……..
Nekama or Revenge is clearly NOT prohibited by the Torah. Neither written or oral law. The rishonim clearly rule that nekama only pertains to monetary issues. Furthermore, the early achronim and a few rishonim ruled earlier that in regards to actions whose very nature excludes the probability of 2 kosher witness, even women and minors are to be considered as kosher witness. Rabbi Wozner mentions it in his teshuva regarding the other mamzer, Weingarten.
Can reasonable people stop cavalierly throwing around “pedophile” for every sexual transgression?
All the numbers of recidivism for pedophiles are for people attracted to young kids not developed females.I don’t have a clue what the victim or alleged one looked like but chances are that at 12 she looked like a young adult.There is an age of consent for good reason but someone attracted to a teenage girl is not a “pedophile” in the real sense of the word.
Regarding the Lebovits sentence:He was sent away for 32 years for an offense that in other states would have been legal! If I recall correctly the victim was 16 and a half making him at the age of consent for a number of states.Yes, I know that in NY it’s 17, still ,for committing an act that would be legal in one state in the Union, you don’t send someone away for 32 years in another.
Did Weberman “do it”.Don’t know.No compelling reason to believe that it’s true before any real details come out.NY Post is a salacious tabloid that distorts the truth very often.Wonder why reasonable people have already made their minds up??
Time will tell who’s right.My bet is that Weberman goes free.
@ George,
Refering to your last line, “Time will tell who’s right. My bet is that Weberman goes free”
a couple of questions here …. i am just curious …
1. If Weberman is cleared from all charges, will Lopin publicize it here?
2. If Weberman is cleared from all charges, will Lopin claim the AG, Police, Courts & judges are all corrupt? or will he take it at face value, the same way he takes the NY post at face value?
3. If Weberman is cleared, will Lopin ask Weberman for forgivness ?
4. If Weberman is cleared, will Lopin ask The entire Weberman Family for forgivness?
5. and finally, for (let’s say – even if it’s only … ) 1% chance that Weberman is cleared of all charges, will Lopin admit and show remourse for his wrongdoing? for his speed to misjudgement? for misleading his readers? … and all the rest..?
Curious.
@ curious
yeah …. don’t hold your breath …. some people constantly trumpet how truth seeking they are, and how honest they are, how they just can’t stand the evil, and they really can’t stand anything false, fake, phony, coverups and bla bla bla (such rightous people! splendid!)
just like Rashi tells us in Chumash … the Chazzer (PIG) lays with his front hooves poising outward, showing … “Look, I am kosher!”
Hypocrisy at it’s best?
Curious
The American Heritage Stedman’s Medical Dictionary,
“Pedophilia is the act or fantasy on the part of an adult of engaging in sexual activity with a child or children. This common use application also extends to the sexual interest and abuse of pubescent or “post-pubescent minors.”
It is true that the correct clinical diagnoses for “post-pubescent minors.” what’s called a hebephile, a newly proposed diagnostic classification in which people display a sexual preference for children at the cusp of puberty, between the ages of, roughly, 11 to 14 years of age”. Nevertheless, the fact remains, that regardless what the true clinical diagnoses names are, all the studies encompass but “Pedophile’s and hebephile’s.
As for the rest of your mumbo-jumbo, why should Yerachmiel apologize he is only reporting the news, it was already disseminated via other reputable news organizations. Other the hand let me turn your own questions back on you. What would you do after Weberman either cops a plea or is found guilty.
1. If Weberman is cleared from all charges, will Lopin publicize it here?
2. If Weberman is cleared from all charges, will Lopin claim the AG, Police, Courts & judges are all corrupt? or will he take it at face value, the same way he takes the NY post at face value?
3. If Weberman is convicted, will Curious ask the young girl for forgiveness’?
4. If Weberman is convicted will Curious ask the entire young girl Family for forgiveness’?
5. And finally, for (let’s say – even if it’s only … ) 1% chance that Weberman is convicted, will Curious admit and show remorse for his wrongdoing? For your speed to misjudgment? For misleading the readers? … And all the rest..?
PS I tried to keep all the questions as close as possible to your original work. So the grammar is off.
@ OMG
Will Lopin REPORT the NEWS if Weberman was found not guilty that he is not guilty? You didn’t answer that question. You only mirrored it without answering it.
You call Yerachmiel Lopin a reporter of news??
If this you call honest truthful then there is nothing to come back to this filthy blog. It’s a pain you guys have giving it out on a certain group of people. You are clearly Jew haters. What a shame!
Dan,
To begin with, above you never replied to my post that I directed to you, I am still patiently waiting. As to your question if Yerachmiel would report a not guilty verdict. I have no doubt that if that comes to pass, he would report it. Nevertheless, the odds of an acquittal to actually happen, are overwhelmly against him. Your question is akin, if we would debate if the sun will rise tomorrow morning. Therefore, your question is without any real merits to it. Finally, it is up to you if you want to click on this site, if you are depressed that other don’t agree with your view, you always could take Zoloft or any other meds that are used to treat depression
Sorry I noticed that above I posted not the complete copy, here is the one i intended to post.
Curious
The American Heritage Stedman’s Medical Dictionary,
“Pedophilia is the act or fantasy on the part of an adult of engaging in sexual activity with a child or children. This common use application also extends to the sexual interest and abuse of pubescent or “post-pubescent minors.”
It is true that the correct clinical diagnoses for “post-pubescent minors.” what’s called a hebephile, a newly proposed diagnostic classification in which people display a sexual preference for children at the cusp of puberty, between the ages of, roughly, 11 to 14 years of age”. Nevertheless, the fact remains, that regardless what the true clinical diagnoses names are, all the studies encompass but “Pedophile’s and hebephile’s.
As for the rest of your mumbo-jumbo, why should Yerachmiel apologize he is only reporting the news, it was already disseminated via other reputable news organizations. Other the hand let me turn your own questions back on you. What would you do after Weberman either cops a plea or is found guilty.
1. If Weberman is convicted on all charges, will Curious publicize it here?
2. If Weberman is convicted on all charges, will Curious claim the AG, Police, Courts & judges are all corrupt? or will he take it at face value, the same way he takes the NY post at face value?
3. If Weberman is convicted, will Curious ask the young girl for forgiveness’?
4. If Weberman is convicted will Curious ask the entire young girl Family for forgiveness’?
5. And finally, for (let’s say – even if it’s only … ) 1% chance that Weberman is convicted, will Curious admit and show remorse for his wrongdoing? For your speed to misjudgment? For misleading the readers? … And all the rest..?
PS I tried to keep all the questions as close as possible to your original work. So the grammar is off.
Dear George,
As you do not seem to be aware of the facts regarding the Lebovitz case he was offered aprox 2 years as plea bargain which seems to more in line for the crime he was convicted for, but pails in comparison with the crimes he committed.
Lebovitz got the other 30 years for trying to corrupt the course of justice, intimidating witnesses, playing with the justice system and having an accused molester(Berel Azkanzi) come on the witness stand and perjure himself in his defense. The court was right that such a person who can not accept responsibility for his crime and so brazenly holds the justice system in contempt is a real danger and must be secluded for the good of society. Nuff said he did it to himself don’t blame the justice system.
P.S. Same thing will happen to Daskolovitz if he tries to play these games. Do the honest, smart thing and start your teshuva by admitting responsibility asking for forgiveness and coping a plea.
Excellent argument. I have nothing to add.
First of all why do u guys keep coming back here if it’s a “filthy” site?
Secondly no one needs any proof more than the fact that smone has stepped forward and said she was raped.
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again.
No person in their right mind will publicly admit that she was raped.
If she was trying to get revenge about something there’s a million different ways she could have done it!
So for once and for all get it into your stupid minds!
If someone cries rape you’d better believe them!
“no person in their right mind will publicly admit that she was raped”
First thing, the victim did not “publicly” denounce the perpetrator, she did it in privacy. But apparently the lashon hara in your community is so strong, that it is not possible to keep the privacy of the victim, as the law would intend to do.
A rape is a crime, and the right thing to do with a crime is report it. If your community makes life for rape victims so unbearable that no person in their right mind will admit that she was raped, you should really ask yourself some serious questions and try to change your community.
I do not know what your values are based upon. But if your values say that it is right to leave a crime unreported for fear of lashon hara, then there is something seriously wrong.
Last time a looked there were some passages in the torah about not twisting justice and not oppressing the weak in the torah. Have they disappeared from your torah? In your whole community?
Again it seems that emotions are getting ahead of people.
As I said in my previous post,I don’t know if Weberman did or did not do anything.
I don’t think that any of the posters here know either.
So, if what we are relying upon are the “facts” in the New York Post, the case need not have to much merit.What we have is an exciting , titillating story for a tabloid:Sex,religion, etc.
About the guy that claimed that if a woman clames rape it is automatically true??
What are you talking about???I”m sure you’ve heard of theTawana Brawley case for example where a black girl claimed to have been raped, apparently to get her out of a pickle with her mother who was unhappy about her “spending nights with boys”Brawley was 15 at the time, btw.
The point I made about a man who is attracted to a teenaged girl as not being a” pedophile” is easy for any reasonable person to understand. Idid not condone underage relationships, just remarked that calling such people “pedophiles” was just playing the pc game.
As I said let’s see how the facts play out at trial, if this even goes to trial
@ George
Well said. and I agree with “let’s see how the facts play out at trial, *if* *this* *even* *goes* *to* *trial* “
George,
As usual, people who want to side with an accused rapist, they use the “I don’t know the facts” excuse, and “innocent until proven guilty” BS, all these are nothing more than a false reason why you personally take the side of the “alleged” molester. Normal human beings, (who are not family) and who are protective of their kids, would keep their kids away from an alleged rapist.
That said, when I read your posting not only could I make an informed assessment of your own thinking, but we have the ability to make an inference on what type a person you really are. Your written words give us a peek into your soul. What I clearly see is very disturbing; to begin with, I already responded to you that there are no distinctions clinically or legally between “post-pubescent minors.” 11 to 14 years old at the cusp of puberty, which is clinically called a hebephile, or a pubescent minors up to 12 years old, who is clinically called a pedophile. I even cited to you the most esteemed medical dictionary, “The American Heritage Stedman’s Medical Dictionary” but to no avail. To add insult to injury, you decided to guess if the 12-year-old victim was fully developed or not. Just this little snipped tells me all I need to know about your views. I as a father of a twenty year old daughter, I do not have any idea when my daughter was fully developed. Moreover, come to think about it, I never ever thought about that subject, but you are speculating about 12-year-old development stages, which are none of your business. Additionally, we do not rely and judge this “alleged” rapist based on the massager or the news purveyor, in this case the NY Post; we rely on the DA and the police department. They felt that they have enough evidence to charge him with rape; time will tell us if there is enough evidence to convict him beyond a reasonable doubt.
Finally, let there be no mistakes, if you are an adult and you are attracted to post-pubescent minors and your age differences is five years or more than the person you are interested, then essentially, you are ahebephile or pedophile and regardless of the clinical name, if you act on it, you belong in jail.
George, with all due respect, we are not talking about a low-life shvartza!
We are discussing a chassidesha girl living in Williamsburg for Gds sake!!!
Can u not see the difference?
And Av, you say: “the victim did not “publicly” denounce the perpetrator, she did it in privacy”
Since when is going to the police to report a crime “private”??
What planet are you living on?
As far as I understood, she told a councelor (at school?) and the councelor has a reporting duty and went to the police.
I am still shocked that you insinuate it is right for a rape victim not to go to the police.
I do not know which community you belong to, but your values clearly have nothing to do with jewish values.
@ OMG why would “Curious” have to apologize ?? Did she accuse the girl of lying ?? Yerachmiell on the other hand is saying that Weberman is guilty!!
Pls clarify without twisting.
@ OMG why would “Curious” have to apologize ?? Did HE accuse the girl of lying ?? “Curious” Is just being cautious,not taking sides.
Yerachmiell on the other hand is saying that Weberman is guilty!!
Pls clarify without twisting.
Joel;
Curious questions are rhetorical questions, questions that encourage the listener to think about what the answer to the question must be, but no formal answer is expected. Rather, it is a device used by curious to assert his point of view on the back of Yerachmiel, without even looking for a real answer. That is one reason why I think curious needs to apologize. Additionally, his view is that as long as someone is not guilty beyond a reasonable that means he is innocent and the girl lied. We know the truth even if he is found not guilty that is not the same as innocent, I would still not leave my child with this person because were there is smoke there is fire. Therefore, he still own an apology to the minor who claims she was raped because there is still the 1 percent chances that she was raped, and if curious is indeed so caring that he would like for Yerachmiel to apologize to the “alleged” rapist just because there might be a 1 percent chances he is innocent. I call on curious to extend the same show of compassion to the victim and apologize even if he is found not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
AV- are u stupid or what?
She told a councellor who is a mandated reporter…..who told the police.
Where is the problem? The girl went public in her accusation against Weberman. And in my opinion no chassisdesha girl would admit to being raped.
And if she was promiscous as others have said, it begs the question: “Why is a chassidesha girl living in a Satmar community acting this way?”
Dont u think its strange?
@ a – are YOU stupid?
being a MANDATED REPORTER means that person *must* tell the authorities about the abuse.
Furthermore, you said:
“no chassisdesha girl would admit to being raped” –
Don’t you find that to be disturbing that, largely due to the shame that people like you bring to reporting such a heinous crime, a girl who was violated in such a way won’t report it?
Being raped has nothing to do with being promiscuous.
“Why is a chassidesha girl living in a Satmar community acting this way?”
I think we have said repeatedly in this thread that being promiscuous is one of the possible consequences of sexual abuse.
I fact, it is one of the warning signs that someone might have been abused, especially in small children.
Of course, it is not watertight proof either. People might be promiscuous for other reasons.
So at best, what you see, if true, is neutral. It could be an indicator of sexual abuse.
I feel with every rape victim in your community and I am still appalled that you think it is a good thing that a true chassidishe girl would never admit to being raped, let alone report rape to the police. This means impunity for the perps.
“And in my opinion no chassisdesha girl would admit to being raped”.
But fortunately, your opinion has been proven wrong by this case and other cases.
I hope that more and more chassidishe shefelech who went through abuse will have the courage to report.
And I hope that the community will stop think the way you do and develop more and more compassion for the victims, and less compassion for the perpetrators.
(Ha merachem al achzarim sofo leachzer al rachamim)
a, you say, “in my opinion no chassisdesha girl would admit to being raped.”
Lets talk instead about torah true girls. In the torah, Tamar was raped by her brother and she ran out screaming about it.” According to chazal we owe her credit for crying out loud immediately and this led to the institution of dinei yichud (rules governing men and women being alone with each other unless they are close relatives or married to each other).
You are half right that most chasidishe girls don’t publicly admit to being raped. To the extent that this is true, chasidishe girls are not torah true girls. Tragically, this makes it easier for chasidish rapists to prey on chasidishe girls.
This is what we must end. So when a chasidish girl has the courage to publicly complain, we must support and encourage them.
The fact that most chasidish rapists are never successfully prosecuted doesnt change the fact that it happens. It also means that we have to be especially attentive to the few who have the courage to come forward.
When Michoel Ber Weissmandl met Rudolph Vrba, He said “I salute you as the ambassador of over one million Jews.” In the presence of Vrba, Weissmandl refused to sit down and insisted in treating him as an ambassador.
Verba had escaped Auschwitz with information about the number of Jews killed which he got from the Jewish slaves who worked in the records office. Before he met Weissmandl he prepared a report detailing this information and the numbers. Verba was a completely secular Jew. He was one Jew. But Weissmandl understood he was choshuv ambassador.
Each raped chasidish girl brave enough to give testimony is an ambassador of dozens or even hundreds of other girls who stayed silent.
Whether or not these girls have flaws they are choshuv ambassadors and we all owe them kavod and hakaros hatov. They are heroines of the hatzaloh from the clutches of the churban NY. I say kul hakavod even if they have flaws. One of those giving testimony might save your daughter, sister, niece or cousin from a horrible fate.
If you ever have the privelege of meeting one of these witnesses, stand up in their presence.
thank you for that.
I think it is great consolation for all those who went through such ordeals and were shut up.
By the way, not only the frum world tends to shut victims up. It happens everywhere, perhaps with different methods.
Just wondering. How is it that in chassidishe yeshovas they can find all the euphemisms available to get the message across that a male may not touch “makom habris” (penis to all those who don’t get/understand euphemisms) because it can lead to all sorts of aveiros but have no words to convey the message that you may not touch another male’s “makom habris” (once again, penis to all those who don’t get/understand euphemisms) either as it certainly leads to all sorts of aveiros as well which are probably far worse than holding yourself to ensure that the stream actually hits the bowl. This sure explains why bathrooms in chassidishe establishments smell so bad.
0k, allow me to explain, i think the words I said came out wrong.
“no chassidesha girl would admit to being raped” What I mean is that due to the fact that people are so scared to admit they were abused the fact that THIS girl did proves that the story is true.
I myslef am a victim of rape. I could NEVER tell anyone bc then I would be ostracised, and my kids wouldnt get shidduchim.
So my point is that if this girl came forth- you better believe her!
I hope this is clearer than my original post.
the sad story is unfortunetly in amarica a lot ov innocent people end up to go to jail and guilty walk the streets bare in mind just like there are molesters there are people who lie a study showed much more people lie (even in court) then molest unfotunetly the court systen is a joke and a play anyone could say anything poor yid who ends up to a jury
@ Yid – As has been pointed out several times, cases of sexual assault are largely UNDER reported and have a very low percentage of false reporting (something like 2%). Do not make the mistake of thinking otherwise.