Nechemya Weberman’s Unpleasant Friday In Court and the Rest Of the Story

On Friday morning, March 25 I put out a series of posts covering developments for Nechemya Weberman as they unfolded in court. I have since gathered more information and clarified some of my earlier information. For the convenience of my readers I am putting everything I know about that day together in this post as well as its background, the factors in the high turnout of supporters, and action calls for follow-up. I plan a separate post summing up the state of the Dascalowitz case.

The Charges Against Nechemya Weberman

Just to recap, on February 23, Nechemya Weberman was arrested, arraigned in Kings County Criminal Court, and released on $15,000 cash bail. The arraignment specified multiple charges of sexually abusing a Hasidic girl in Williamsburg, starting when she was twelve years old and continuing until she was 15. The next day I was the first to note his active role in the vaad hatznius (modesty committee) which is how he first got involved in the life of this girl.  Three days after his arrest, Pablo Guzmán reported that other victims of Weberman were expected to come forward. I followed up with a post urging potential witnesses to call the NYPD Sex Crimes Unit.

Weberman returned to Criminal Court on March 9. However, the day before, the Office of the Kings County District Attorney unsealed an indictment with 150 felony charges. This shifted his case to the Kings County Supreme Court for his appearance on Friday, March 25th.

In Who Will Watch the Watchers? I reported on a regular extortion racket of the vaad hatznius in Williamsburg and other hasidic communities. A member of the vaad would tell an individual or family that they faced embarrassment and serious loss of social status because of some infraction of the modesty code. The Vaad would then ask for payments of anywhere between $5,000 and $30,000 for “therapy” and other expenses. The vaad would select the “therapist” who might be a member of the vaad himself, like Weberman. Sometimes it was Yaakov Yagen, a “torah therapist,” who worked out of Weberman’s Classon Avenue office. I urge those who have not yet read Who Will Watch the Watchers? to check it out. I also urge everyone to steer clear of unlicensed “therapists.”

Why So Many People Came Out to Support the Victim

Weberman’s role in the Vaad made his prosecution the most important one to date. Many of us worked very hard to encourage supporters of the victim to attend the court session on March 25th.

As it happened, Meir Dascalowitz also had a court appearance about his sex abuse charge,s scheduled for the same day, in the same building. I did a posting about the “Double Header” urging people to attend, divide themselves equally between courtrooms, and to move to the other courtroom when the first appearance was over. Voice of Justice crafted a shorter press release, drawing on my longer article. The heavily viewed Failed Messiah carried that press release the day before the appearances. The Dascalowitz case also had its special advocates, especially since concerns arose in late November 2010 about whether he might be offered a plea bargain without any time in prison.  Joel Engelman, Pearl Engelman and Asher Lipner conducted a press conference on December 6, 2010, to reject a soft plea bargain. Endorsers of the press conference included: JSafe: The Jewish Institute Supporting an Abuse-Free Environment, the Jewish Board of Advocates for Children, Rabbi Nuchem Rosenberg, The Voice of Justice, and Jewish Parents for Safe Yeshivas. On the day of that press conference, for the first time, the District Attorney’s office informed WPIX, Channel 11’s reporter, Mary Murphy, that Dascalowitz would not be offered a plea  deal with less than five years of prison.

After Dascalowitz appeared in court on February 23, Pearl Engelman wrote a poignant, eloquent portrait of the court date from the point of view of the harassed family of Dascalowitz’s victim.   On March 2, Rabbi Yaakov Horowitz followed with an impassioned appeal for attendance at the Dascalowitz hearing to support the victim and his family. Rabbi Horowitz also began collecting messages of support to deliver to the family. He followed up with an article in the Jewish Press.

All these factors converged to create the largest group of Jewish courtroom supporters of an ultra orthodox victim of sex abuse.  About 50 people showed up. They divided unevenly, but most went to the Weberman courtroom. Some moved between the courtrooms. About 45 people were at the  Weberman appearance since it happened after the Dascalowitz session. After the courtroom filled up, the latecomers had to wait outside. The early bird gets the worm, or this case, got to see the worm squirm. However, the  half of the attendees stuck in the hallway got to greet old colleagues and make new connections. The attendees included Rabbi Horowitz, Rabbi Nuchem Rosenberg, Rabbi Dr. Asher Lipner, JBAC President, Elliot Passik, Mark Appel, Mark Weiss, Pinny Taub, Beth Kaplan, several undergraduates who responded to a call by the YU Social Justice Society and other important members of the advocacy community. There were many survivors and citizen supporters and this was the first time in court for some of them.

What Happened in the Hallway Before the Courtroom Was Opened

Weberman (in the center of the picture) was accompanied by five relatives: his wife (who is wearing a hat and holding a camera in the picture), his brother, his son, Yanki, his sister Nechama Shimon, and his sister, Hindi Kohn, assistant Director of David Niederman’s United Jewish Organizations of Williamsburg. Weberman also used to work for Niederman, who is considered the most important political figure in Hasidic Williamsburg.

As they were sitting there, Joseph Diangello (aka Yoeli Deutsch) a publicly self identified survivor of abuse, walked up to Weberman, took his picture, and went back to the supporter cluster. He told the group that now that he saw him, he was sure that Weberman was the man who molested him when he was eleven or twelve. At that time, Weberman worked for Joseph’s father, Simon Deutsch, at Compu Service. After the confrontation, according to two other observers Weberman lost all composure, his face went slack and colorless, and his shoulders slumped.

At the same time, Weberman’s relatives were taking pictures of Hasidim attending as supporters. The motive was intimidation and harassment. They weren’t interested in Nuchem Rosenberg’s picture because he seems to be immune to such social pressure. Instead they photographed people who would rather not be harassed in their home communities for taking the unpopular position of supporting the criminal prosecution of an alleged molester. These pictures, probably taken on a Blackberry, were circulating in online discussion groups and listserves with crude insinuations. I know of two Hasidim who were contacted by concerned relatives less than 20 minutes after the photographs were taken. The relatives urged them to get out of the spotlight. It was uncomfortable for them and they expected to get harassed when they got back to their neighborhoods. But they felt strongly that they were doing the right thing and held to their course. As one of them said, “I have nothing to be ashamed of. I am there to protect Jewish girls. The shanda (disgrace) is that so many people are afraid to speak up.” These erlich chasidim will be educating some of their peers in their neighborhoods when they defend their decision to be in the courtroom.

He Rejects Plea Bargain/ Lawyers Skirmish About the Search Warrant

The formal court appearance was short, definitely less than ten minutes.  Judge Patricia DiMango Miriam Cyrulnik asked Weberman if he wanted to accept the prosecution plea bargain offer of five years in prison. Weberman stuck to his not guilty plea. He should have thought about Baruch Lebovits who got 10-32 years after a trial when he could have had gotten off with just 1-2 years. Lebovits will probably die in jail. If Lebovits had accepted the plea bargain he would be celebrating this Passover with his family. As I wrote at the time, Lebovits got 31 years for not saying he was sorry.

Weberman will not get a better plea deal and will probably get a much longer sentence if convicted in trial. Lebovits was only convicted on eight D felony counts. Weberman is charged 145 D felonies and  a much more serious B felony.  Delaying a plea bargain will work against Weberman. District Attorneys offer their best deals at the beginning of a case because it saves them a lot of time and work and eliminates the risk of an acquittal by a jury.  DAs will usually accept plea bargains later, sometimes right before a trial starts. But the terms of the deal get stiffer as a case progresses and the work piles up. This is especially true when more witnesses start coming forward which may happen according to reporter Pablo Guzmán of CBS. If you are going to plead guilty, you are best off doing it quickly.

Weberman’s lawyer, George Farkas, skirmished with the Assistant District Attorney about whether the government overstepped its authority when it searched his apartment for evidence. Both sides agreed that there was a proper warrant for a search, but they disagreed about the exact scope of the warrant. The ADA chose not to argue the point at length, since the search in dispute did not uncover any useful evidence.

The next court date is currently set for May 11th at 9:00 am.

FOLLOW UP ACTION STEPS

Save-The-Date, Wednesday May 11th in your calendar.  Recheck the Date at the Yasher Koach Website as it gets closer. Scheduled court appearances are sometimes postponed. You can get notifications of schedule changes by registering at the New York State ecourts website.

Write Messages of Support to Victims and Their Families by going here. For the moment, Yasher Koach, which just unveiled its initiative and website a few weeks ago, only has a general message field for any victim. So if you are writing to a specific victim, be sure to specify the case on top of your message.

Volunteer to Help Victims In Other Ways including: transportation; meal preparation; mentoring; providing therapy (if you are licensed); and fundraising and Fill Out a Volunteer Form.

Call the Police if You Have Information That Can Help This Investigation at (718) 230-4418 and ask for Detective Steven Litwin. Call even if the incidents happened so long ago that they are no longer punishable and even if the incidents happened outside Brooklyn or even the United States.

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Frum Follies is blog is for those who fight Child Sexual Abuse (CSA) in the Orthodox Jewish world where it is Purim all year. I fight corruption and denial by reporting, analyzing, satirizing, and agitating.
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47 Responses to Nechemya Weberman’s Unpleasant Friday In Court and the Rest Of the Story

  1. Justsaying says:

    The woman wearing a hat in the above picture is absolutely not his wife. It’s his sister who lives on Classon Ave. Mr..Weberman can be seen in Myrtle shul every morning. Nobody bothers him at all.

  2. yid says:

    the sad story is that in america a lot ov innocent poeple end up in jail and guilty walk the streets bare in mind just like there are molesters there are people who lie a study showed more people lie (even in court) then molest evreyone knows the court system is a joke and a play poor poor yid who ends up to a jury yerachmiel please wake up do you think a chasidish yid could have a fair trail oor even a fair sentence

  3. Sara says:

    @ yid – your definition of ‘fair’ is letting a guy off simply because he looks frum.

    i’ll ask you the question that has been asked many of your ilk that troll this blog:

    if weberman (or dascalowitz or any ‘frum’ guy accused of these horrific crimes) did what he was accused of doing, does he deserve to get thrown is jail or do we let him walk the streets and harm other kids just because he looks frum?

    other pervs supporters who comment here don’t have the guts to answer this question and will avoid it. let’s see if u do the same.

    in addition, its been pointed out many times before (and to you specifically in a different thread) that sexual abuse cases are largely under reported and only about 2 percent of cases are lied about. that means 98 percent of cases are true. if it were a stock, I’d go long.

    why do u have such a vested interest in believing otherwise?

    • joe says:

      Hi Sara,

      If someone told you that 98% of people who play with knives do not hurt themselves – I suspect that would not give you comfort when confronted with your mother or sister playing with knives.
      My Point? statistics are a poor tool when playing with lives – which need to be appreciated with the delicacy and emotion that is often defined as the ‘human touch’.
      Just because 98% of accusations are truthful should not give you license to bet on this man’s life.
      I know no facts or individuals in this case (but do in another past highly publicized case) and have not passed judgement in either direction. If you know more than is generally available -use that as your basis. If you simply trust the fact there was an indictment (I personally would not) then use this.
      But I sincerely hope you are not working solely off the 98% statistic.

      • Sara says:

        @ Joe – I’m not working sole off of that stat. Especially with regard to Weberman. Read Mindy’s post below. It says it all.

      • Susan Mill says:

        Joe, not only is weberman, and meir guilty, check out these two guy’s brothers, one of them is for sure a perv, with concrete evidence, yet walks a free man’s life. I blame the Rabbonim mainly for when they were told the facts they believed it, however, when these “Rabbonim” were pressured to help cover up and threatened, (like Twersky) then they caved in too. All tzarus and anti semitism is our own fault (rabbanim, Dayanim). Hashem is sending us messages to protect our children, yet we ignore the fact that innocent children are being ripped out of their parents loving hands and hearts(accidents and now Paris), Wake Up

  4. Mindy says:

    I am sure that the 2 percent doesn’t include the Frum Community. The Stigma, Shame and Bullying of the victim and the extended family prevents most of them from coming forward. We were all witness to that in the court room and even have pictures to prove it. So when a frum person who still lives in that community comes out in the open and says I was molested by so and so, it is most probably true.

  5. yid says:

    no fair trail for a yid look at polard or rubashkin or even israel in the media or any jew hwo stept in a court room averyone knows that wake up (and there is no fair judgment for any chasidishe yid on dis site anyway)

    • It seems that way to you because you do not understand how it works. You probably don’t read objective sources of information; that is, sources other than haredi propaganda rags.

      Your level of education as demonstrated in how you write was a crime against you and the community. Normally I don’t comment on that, but, it speaks to your ability to engage in quality informaton that comes from the outside world. They keep so many frum Jews like you ignorant to get you to support them in withdrawing from the world and depend on the Niedermans of the haredi world to schnorr up some tzedakah. All they demand in return is trusting them about the truth and letting them keep some nice amounts for themselves.

      Sorry, come back when you have actually learned what kinds of sentences and conviction rates there are for non-Jews., Also, while there are occasional false convictions, they are rare for people in any community. The biggest factor hurting defendants is not having enough money for bail and not having enough money for lawyers., Haredim do much better than the average american in those areas.

      You can not conclude a Jew has no chance in a trial if you do not look at both sides of the argument about Rubashkin or Pollard. both are stubborn in their own way and that is why they have served so long. Pollard refuses to ask for either probation or a presidential pardon. He wants to get out without making any gesture. Rubashkin defied the court, perjured himself (which he admitted during sentencing speech), stashed away money which he refuses to cough up and took the chance of a trial instead of pleading guilty for a much shorter sentence.

      Stop feeling sorry for yourself and those in your community who daven in the Otisville minyan and other such places. Instead consider dinah di malchusah dinah, especially in a medina shel chesed like the USA. Consider hakaros hatov instead of supporting and justifying criminals.

  6. Sara says:

    @ Yid –

    Please respond to the question in my comment above.

  7. my cents says:

    i sure hope these charges are true. i’d hate to think what would happen to the poor 16 year old if she were lying.

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    where are all the other people that were supposed to come forward?

    if this guy is guilty may he rot in jail. but i personally know that one of these latest stories that emerged of abuse was definitely not true. so i tend to take these allegations with a grain of salt.

    • Sara says:

      “where are all the other people that were supposed to come forward?”

      Have some סבלנות – it will all come out. Don’t you worry.

      “but i personally know that one of these latest stories that emerged of abuse was definitely not true”

      And you know it’s not true – how? Because he was molesting you instead that time?

      • my cents says:

        i know it wasnt true because the “victim” told me it’s not true

        and how do u know it will “all come out”? did he assault u as well?

  8. pinchas weberman in miami should stop helping nechemya says:

    it is getting more and more ridiculous that a rabbi from NMB should be calling neiderman at UJO and asking and working together to reduce the years in prison that nechemya will get

    why is this same rabbi webberman trusted for his kashrus and not when he says the man is innocent
    he should not be allowed on any beis din or allowed to give out food if he says nechemya is innocent

    call him and ask him why he helps molesters

    • bas says:

      I can go comment by comment but Im tired. So we checked with Niederman about your quoted paragraph of Weberman in Miami,Niederman doesnt know how to contact Weberman in Florida unless he contacts the family and Weberman in Fla doesnt know who Niederman is.
      Who should Niedermn talk to about reducing years of prison. He is not a lawyer and doesnt negotiate prison sentences.
      When did you dream all of this, and you realize that you dont up yourself by writinge it as if your quoting facts.
      Next time, Do research, call Rabbi We

      • I dont know why Niederman wouldn’t be able to find Pinchos Weberman. Anyone can find him and his shul on the internet in two minutes, Certainly, Niederman’s listed main contact for UJO, Hindy who is Nechemia’s sister, could find it.

        Pinchos Weberman is the head of the Miami Vaad Harabonim. Someone in that role deals with Yiden who come to Florida in the winter including many rebbes. So of course he has had some dealings with Satmar.

        You say Niederman “is not a lawyer.” But he is a political fixer, chief shtadlan, askan, and poliical operator of Zaali Satmar in Willi. No other hasid in Willi has more pictures of him with politicians. Pidyon Shvuyim is considered a big part of the job of a shtadlan and satmar, like the Munkatcher, holds that keeping any Jew out of jail is a mitzvah, even a low-life who did indeed commit the acts of which he is charged. So of course Niederman will do what he can to keep him out of jail.

        You are showing very little respect for those who do not live in Williamsburg. In Williamsburg, people would laugh at you for saying Niederman does not try to get people off the hook with the government. So you think you will lie to the Yeshivish, Sfardish, and MOs on this blog and they won’t know. Try again.

        However, having said all that, I don’t know if Niederman and Pinchos Weberman actually tried to cook something up together. However, given a choice between believing David Niederman or Shmarya Rosenberg, I would choose Rosenberg. Niederman is of course frum, Shmarya isn’t, Niederman almost always says nice things in public about Satmar hasidim; Shmarya b’davka finds and reports the scandals of the haredi world and emphasizes haredi in his headlines. But Shmarya is an honest reporter who makes it his business to get the facts and to report them honestly. He often holds off on stories until he can get additional confirmation. He regularly corrects and updates his stories. Niederman is a clubhouse politician more interested in the money and status than the truth. According to Joel Engelman, Niederman was involved in covering up for Avrohom Reichman.

  9. yid says:

    unfortunetley in the malchus shel chesed non jews and jews RM”L get false convictions even given the dath panelty falsley accused or blown out of proportion
    (just type in falsly accuseed in google or read some episodes of 48 hours mystery its so mind boggling facts RM”L for a honest person) and even by law he is innocent tll proven guily and unfortunetly the court system is …… I know a shmendrik who listen a lot to r nuchem and he is against all rabonim he got in litel trouble some goy set him up he told me with emes hewould trust any of the rabonim rather then ……. wake up

    • Sara says:

      @ Yid

      My statistic above, which shows a very low % of false accusations was referring to cases of sexual assault. There is no death penalty for sexual assault, so your point is moot.

      And you have yet to answer my question, which was:

      If weberman (or dascalowitz or any ‘frum’ guy accused of these horrific crimes) did what he was accused of doing, does he deserve to get thrown is jail or do we let him walk the streets and harm other kids just because he looks frum, because you think it’s unfair that a “frum” jew be in jail?

      Try again.

      • Bench Kvetcher says:

        He does not know how to answer your question. The real question is if there is a 2% chance that the accusations are false then do we err on the side of caution for the accused or do we err on the side of caution for the 98% chance that far many more lives will be destroyed by having rachmonus on all accused molesters? You can’t have it both ways. When one conducts themself in a fashion that is always above suspicion there is less of a chance that anyone would accuse them of a crime. People don’t pick on others just for the hell of it especially if it comes at a steep personal cost. A woman claiming rape brands herself as damaged goods. All the more so if the case is false and fishy and she loses. Hence the very low incidence of false accusation. In the frum and charedi world the stakes are even higher as being a social pariah will ensure a destroyed life. I will always err on the side of caution for the children. There is a court system which is usually good at determining guilt or innocence. False conviction produces one victim. False aquittal

        • Bench Kvetcher says:

          Produces hundreds of victims. Take your pick. Give it your best shot by being honest with yourself. Would you entrust your child/wife with a person who is rumored to be a deviant rapist? I bet you woul err on the side of caution when it came to your own family on the chance that they would be on the receiving end of some depraved person living out his sick in the head deviant sexual fantasies.

      • bas says:

        @sara, you keep on quoting your same quotes, without basis, this site is purely one sided, but the comments arent ,except if you are sara or yarachmiel.

        Maybe some of the readers can do what we did after reading the blog after the other court appearance , where all that was worth blogging was the ride Weberman had and when we found out that the person sent to observe did not see that Webermans son was the driver and stayed in the car, and yes rested on the seat. HA HA we had a good laugh,

        So this time a friend of ours went (wasnt a frum yid) as an observer.
        Report : do all know that the YU students slept most of the time at the benches? one read,the other bit his nails and got up nervously a few times and went back and forth.One of them kept on asking the time.
        Also she said it was ridiculous how the clown with the wig DeAngello harrased the defendant and family by yelling close to their face and taking pictures and only when the woman took out her camera (sister I think) did he move away. It was cheap, and where was Voice of Justice??? and we all know and you know that eAngello is a fake, you cant change years of molestation when you decide.

        We surely had a good time hearing the real report by the person that posed as a supporter, especially on the YU students. Well YU surely doesnt pride themselves with these students. Their graduates and classmates were ashamed, when we called a few. So here it is if you think that you get real reporting except for Yerachmiels inflated ego, if he was first, or wasnt first to report. And the report that DeAngello who claimed on his site in 2009 when he was seven that someone molested him in the mikva at Marcy Penn, and then he decided to say Weberman when he was 11, that is the first post you had. Come on, dont you have anything else to blog on. and please keep it real. or as close to the truth as you can. In Feb you said many more are coming forth,,,,, Hey where are they???? you were all so sure…….. To me this doesnt show support, and when the real victim will be molested you will lose your voice.
        The way its working in Webermans case the defendant is being harrassed more than the victim.

        • Bas, your comment is so long and disjointed that I have broken it into numbered parts and gone over it.

          1. @sara, you keep on quoting your same quotes, without basis, this site is purely one sided, but the comments arent ,except if you are sara or yarachmiel.
          — Yerachmiel Lopin reply: She is Sara. If you pay attention, she writes in a very different style from me.

          2. Maybe some of the readers can do what we did after reading the blog after the other court appearance , where all that was worth blogging was the ride Weberman had and when we found out that the person sent to observe did not see that Webermans son was the driver and stayed in the car, and yes rested on the seat. HA HA we had a good laugh.
          — Yerachmiel Lopin reply: You consider it so unimportant that you see fit to refute it. But the fact is that 1. It was a “NO STANDING zone,” not a “NO PARKING zone; 2. He was alone, he took three left turns and the observer saw him again after the turns and there was no one in the SUV unless they were tied up in the trunk or hiding on the floor.

          3. So this time a friend of ours went (wasnt a frum yid) as an observer.
          — Yerachmiel Lopin reply: Huh? Great. Speak to him/her/it and give us a literate accurate report.

          4. Report : do all know that the YU students slept most of the time at the benches? one read,the other bit his nails and got up nervously a few times and went back and forth.One of them kept on asking the time.
          — Yerachmiel Lopin reply: You are being childish. But thanks for showing us who you are worried about. That is who you insult the most. But, no, they were quite self assured and competent.

          5. Also she said it was ridiculous how the clown with the wig DeAngello harrased the defendant and family by yelling close to their face and taking pictures and only when the woman took out her camera (sister I think) did he move away.
          — Yerachmiel Lopin reply: He got what he came for, a close up look and a picture. He had no other wish to spend time with Nechemia. Nechemia sure lost a lot of muscle tone and complexion in just a few seconds.

          6. It was cheap, and where was Voice of Justice???
          — Yerachmiel Lopin reply: Mark Appel, of Voice of Justice was there part of the time but he also spent time in the court room where Dascalowitz had his hearing. Don’t be self-centered. Your Nechemiah is not the only one charged with molesting? Here is a picture of him in court together with Rabbi Nuchem Rosenberg, Rabbi Yaakov Horowitz, Zvi Gluck of Chesed Shel Emes, and Dr. Asher Lipner. http://voiceofjustice613.blogspot.com/2011/03/community-united-in-support-of-victims.html

          7. and we all know and you know that eAngello is a fake, you cant change years of molestation when you decide.
          — Yerachmiel Lopin reply: One more time: the fact that until now he spoke publicly of one episode, doesn’t mean it only happened once or was only done by one person.

          8. We surely had a good time hearing the real report by the person that posed as a supporter, especially on the YU students. Well YU surely doesnt pride themselves with these students. Their graduates and classmates were ashamed, when we called a few.
          — Yerachmiel Lopin reply: I would love to hear your source. My YU sources were pleased. I haven’t had a chance to ask Rabbi Yosef Blau, Mashgiach Ruchani of Yitzchok Elchanan Seminary. But I would be very surprised if he was not pleased. They came in response to a written announcement by their Social Justice Club, a YU authorized undergraduate group.

          9. So here it is if you think that you get real reporting except for Yerachmiels inflated ego, if he was first, or wasnt first to report.
          — Yerachmiel Lopin reply: I am proud to have exposed the vaad hatznius racketeering and Nechemia’s participation in the Vaad. Since I posted my articles I have had many more calls.

          10. And the report that DeAngello who claimed on his site in 2009 when he was seven that someone molested him in the mikva at Marcy Penn, and then he decided to say Weberman when he was 11, that is the first post you had. Come on, dont you have anything else to blog on. and please keep it real. or as close to the truth as you can.
          — Yerachmiel Lopin reply: You are repeating yourself. See # 7.

          11. In Feb you said many more are coming forth,,,,, Hey where are they???? you were all so sure…….. To me this doesnt show support, and
          — Yerachmiel Lopin reply: The cops and the DA dont announce all their evidence, just enough to arrest. Some who come forward may be used as carroborating witnesses at the trial, even if the statute of limitations has already passed. Finally, keep in mind, your Nechemiah is not their only case. If they have enough on one case to put him away for life, why do the work of prosecuting other cases?

          12. when the real victim will be molested you will lose your voice.
          — Yerachmiel Lopin reply: Huh? You are like every shmendrik Israeli who tries to make himself big. When they are asked about their army service they say, “I am not allowed to talk about it” with that wink and serious demeanor that implies they were intelligence. In actuality they were usually, like most soldiers, just ordinary grunts. You are suggesting that there is a real story you know but we don’t. Fine, when you tell it we will listen. But don’t blow smoke.

          13. The way its working in Webermans case the defendant is being harrassed more than the victim.
          — Yerachmiel Lopin reply: Ahah! So the attention to the case is getting to his shrinking circle of supporters. What happened so far is not harassment. He is being given his due process under the law. Bloggers are doing reporting along with the NY Post and CBS News. Advocates for victims of abuse are exercising their legal right to observe court sessions and to express their opinions. I realize that in Satmar Williamsburg the rules are somewhat different and the Vaad Hatznius gets to decide who is harassed and who is left alone, who is beshmutzed with lashon horah, and who is falsely portrayed as a tzadik. Sorry, Bas, we don’t play by your rules; the seemingly, corrupt vaad hatznius doesn’t dictate anything to us. You are confusing justice with harassment. What the victim’s family is being subjected to, is harassment.

          Bas, you are welcome to come back especially if you can be clearer and more to the point. I should have long ago specified the commonsense rule of most bloggers; comments can be rejected for being so poorly written that they waste the reader’s time. In the future, please put some effort into organizing your thoughts and being clear. I will continue to accept comments with which I thoroughly disagree, unlike the The Yid and other ultra orthodox publications. However, I expect those submitting comments not to waste the time of the readers. I also expect you not to come back merely to repeat what was already said. That is tedious and obnoxious. Please have something new to say.

        • Sara says:

          @ bas – YL’s response to you is more than enough, but since you directed part of your comment at me, I will respond.

          “you keep on quoting your same quotes, without basis, this site is purely one sided, but the comments arent ,except if you are sara or yarachmiel.”

          I keep quoting the same stats and asking the same question to Yid because he refuses to answer. Yes, this site is one sided – the side of protecting children and others against sexual abuse and making sure that rabbonim and the vaad and everyone else who wants to, can no longer sweep the issue under the rug. Why do you take such offense to that?

          Regarding the accuracy of my stats, google it, just like I did.

  10. finder says:

    Yid, you aren’t making a lot of sense. People are trying to understand what you’re saying, but it’s coming out all muddled.

  11. finder says:

    My cents, when it comes to molesters, even alleged molesters, you can’t take chances of there being further victims. Court procedures linger on, and from what I’ve heard, the victims and their families in many cases are threatened, harassed and intimidated. Given this hostile climate for the victim, why on earth would they fabricate a story about this? The fact is that they wouldn’t. Time is of essence and lives are at stake, so your grain of salt doesn’t carry much weight in my book.

  12. yid says:

    let me ask you do you belive that you or a goy could judge 100 percent if he did or did not or to what extent if he did the point is I dont trust a chasidishe guy to a fair trail or jury or conviction and besides that he is (By law) innocent till proven guilty and people who know say he is a very nice guy so why are you jumping to concllusions and judging him now ???

    • Sara says:

      @ Yid – when you answer my question, I will be happy to answer yours. Kindly refer to my previous two posts for the question posed to you.

    • OMG says:

      Yid,
      As usual, you are wrong, no judicial system in the world requires that the defendant be found guilty to the exclusion of any sort of doubt, and the defendant is found to be guilty beyond a reasonable doubt that is a big difference. You are right that the jury need to have an understanding that they cannot judge the case only when the trial is completed and the heard all the evidence from both sides presented. Nevertheless, no were in our system we preclude people from making up the opinion, sorry the Construction article 1 section 9, guarantee us the right to form his own opinion, go back to basics and then share with us your views based on actuality.

      • OMG says:

        Sorry for the typo, about should say sorry the “Constitution” article 1 section 9, guarantee us the right to form his own opinion,

  13. Jay says:

    Sara- note what he said .. could “you or a goy judge” In other words: since you’re female and not qualified to appear as a witness before a beis din , you are not qualified in his opinion to judge guilt even if you’re on a jury.

    • Sara says:

      @ Jay – Thanks for pointing that out. As a dumb, unqualified girl, I missed that comment.

      I’m gonna go bake some cookies now. Or kugel.

  14. Jay says:

    Kugel? Bleah :-P

    As a koifer and apikoris I would be disqualified as well. Perhaps instead of a kugel you would consider making a nice Cavatelli in bolognese sauce served with Chianti? :-)

    • Sara says:

      @ Jay – Oh good! At least I’m in good company. Kugel isn’t my specialty, since the frum girls’ school I went to actually taught us stuff other than how to be a good lil’ housewife (shocking, I know!).

      Having said that, come on over. I’ll have the bf make you something good. He’s the cook in the family. And since his last name ends in a vowel, your almost guaranteed great Italian. :-)

  15. Jay says:

    Okay, I’m drooling now. Here’s my order: salad caprese, cavatelli in bolognese, ciabatta and tiramisu.

    If the rosh yeshiva of my childhood yeshiva could see that in print, he’d plotz ;-)

    • Sara says:

      @ Jay-

      “If the rosh yeshiva of my childhood yeshiva could see that in print, he’d plotz”

      And you’d love every minute of it! :-)

      I vote for a Frum Follies Italian Dinner Get-Together once per quarter!

  16. Joe says:

    @bas-

    I really don’t feel the need to defend myself against idiots and ignoramuses like you, But when you start with false accusations against my my WIG I have to defend myself. Unlike your shpitzel wife, do you know how much time I put into my rockstar hair?? The washing, Conditioning, Flat ironing and teasing??? So my beautiful real hair deserves an apology before yom kippur or u wont get my REAL HAIR’S “mechilah.”

  17. itchiemayer says:

    R’ Benzion Twerski used the 2% number as well on a thread on this blog months ago. Sadly, he has since caved in to the threats of his fellow chareidim/chasidim and has seemingly given up the fight.

  18. Sara says:

    @nt

    bwahahahahahaha – how do I get my website listed there? that’s great!

  19. Jay says:

    @Sara; you’re right,I would ;-)
    I’d kick in a tureen of Pasta Fagioli and an eggplant parm.
    Maybe some homemade hazelnut gelato too.

  20. J. says:

    “A member of the vaad would tell an individual or family that they faced embarrassment and serious loss of social status because of some infraction of the modesty code. The Vaad would then ask for payments of anywhere between $5,000 and $30,000 for “therapy” and other expenses. The vaad would select the “therapist” who might be a member of the vaad himself, like Weberman.”

    Oh, boy, is this scary. What is this, the Taliban? The Taliban has a Ministry of Virtue and Vice. This is not Judaism. This is dangerous extremism masquerading as modesty and piety.

    It’s a slippery slope, guys. Today shaved heads, tomorrow burkas.
    “The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.” Thomas Jefferson

  21. ((CALL TO ACTION)) Please plan to attend the Weberman hearing this Wednesday, 5/11, @ 9 AM, Kings Supreme Court – CriminalTerm, Part 10, Judge Mondo, and support his alleged victim(s). At Weberman’s last hearing, there were over 45 survivor supports – let’s keep up the momentum!

    For more information, please visit:

    http://yasherkoachsupport.blogspot.com/2010/03/upcoming-hearings.html

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  24. NYJew says:

    It is very disturbing that after seeing what happened in the Catholic church molestation cases, we see the same mistakes being repeated by the rabbinical establishment. The goal should be letting the truth come out and let the chips fall where they may.

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