Arrested Monsey Principal Bodenheimer was Alleged to Be Physically Abusive by Shlomo Silber in 2012

Rabbi Gavriel Bodenheimer

Rabbi Gavriel Bodenheimer

According to LOHUD:

A Monsey rabbi and school principal was arrested Monday by Ramapo police after an investigation led by the Rockland District Attorney’s special unit dealing with crimes against children.

The exact charges against Gavriel Bodenheimer were unclear. His lawyer, David Ascher, said the charges were contained in a sealed indictment that he had not been able to see.

Bodenheimer, 71, was being processed Monday afternoon at the Rockland County jail, Ascher said. He said he has been told the arraignment and unsealing of the indictment will take place Tuesday morning.

Bodenheimer is principal of Bais Mikroh, a boys’ yeshiva.

Bodenheimer was described as extremely physically abusive in a Sept. 14, 2012 FaceBook post by Shlomo Silber, “Surviving Bais Mikroh” which also appeared the same day on the blog DovBear. It was subsequently posted in other orthodox-oriented blogs concerned about abuse. It would not surprise me if Bodenheimer is charged with physical abuse.

At the time, the posting created quite a stir because Silber was not using a pseudonym and seemed to be unafraid of being sued. I assume he was either recklessly bold or aware he had enough proof and financial/legal resources to cope with the threat. Some prominent askanim worked overtime to find ways of persuading Silber to drop the article, all to no avail, as far as I know.

I believe Bodenheimer’s arrest was long overdue. Kudos to Shlomo Silber for being our Nachshan on this case. Todah Rabbah.

UPDATE 8/11/14, 4:45 p.m. — News 12 reporter Tara Rosenblum wrote on FaceBook “We found out the charges are for criminal sex act.”

UPDATE 8/17/14: See: Monsey Rabbis Declare: Bodenheimer Is Not Zimri – SATIRE

Update 8/20/14 – Next court appearance for  ()  is Tues Sept 2 b4 Judge W. Nelson on 7 CSA felony counts. Case # 00252-2014

Update 8/20/14- WebCrims Data on charges, incident and arrest date/time

Bodenheimer Charges on WebCrims on 8-20-14

Bodenheimer incident and arrest from webcrims

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100 thoughts on “Arrested Monsey Principal Bodenheimer was Alleged to Be Physically Abusive by Shlomo Silber in 2012

  1. This highlights the importance of speaking out instead of mindlessly avoiding loshon hora.

  2. I attended Bais Mikroh for all of elementary school. In my experience, Bodenheimer is a cold (read: yekkishe) bastard. I wouldn’t have pegged him as a sexual or physical abuser.

    • These are serious child sex abuse charges.

      Excerpts below:

      1) http://7online.com/news/monsey-rabbi-arrested-in-child-sex-crimes-investigation/253943/
      2) http://www.lohud.com/story/news/crime/2014/08/12/rabbi-gavriel-bodenheimer-monsey-sexual-abuse-charges-guilty-rockland-court-attorney-kenneth-gribetz/13942307/?from=global&sessionKey=&autologin=

      A prominent Monsey rabbi who runs a boys school pleaded not guilty Tuesday morning to charges of having sex with an underage boy.

      He was charged with three counts of criminal sex abuse and one count of first-degree sex abuse, all felonies, at his arraignment before Rockland County Judge William Nelson.

      The indictment said the abuse occurred over a period of time.

      Attorney Kenneth Gribetz, a former county district attorney, said he and his partner, Wolikow-Loewenberg, met with the rabbi’s family on Monday to discuss the case.

      • It’s official. He is charged as a Monsey pervert and he is defended by Kenny Gribetz, the preferred lawyer of 9 out of 10 Haredi Menuvalim in Rockland County. Now the only thing missing from this tableau is DA Zugibe swinging a sweetheart deal and blaming the victim for not being willing to testify.

        • Listen. I know this guy. These charges are too hard to believe. He is as straight as a yekki gets. The problem is that all you need is one disgruntled student, and he can press charges with no proof.

          For years, enough people were upset at him for other things. Nobody mentioned anything about these types of offenses. All it takes is one person who decides to take revenge, and his reputation is ruined for life.

          My guess is that this will be a “his word against his word” case. I will be shocked if any evidence is ever brought.

          We must stick up for the victims. Let’s just make sure there are victims first!

          • In the hareidi community there is a lot of stigma to saying you were sexually abused. If this was revenge, it would be simpler to claim physical abuse which is also a crime. Moreover it is an easily supported claim because there are many witnesses who can corroborate that pattern of his, starting with Shlomo Silber.

          • “All it takes is one person who decides to take revenge, and his reputation is ruined for life.”

            Wait, so when he beat the stuffing out of little kids for years, and it was known about by the public, THAT didn’t ruin his reputation? It wasn’t ruined already before this arrest? Seems like there is something wrong with all of us if that’s the case. But I suspect that you are the exception here who viewed such a person favorably, while most people did not. Really hope that’s the case.

  3. Back in the 1930’s, when my father was a lad, his parents (my grandparents) briefly went to live in Bratislava, which was part of Czechoslovakia. When my dad was 13 or 14, some rabbinical piece of vermin tried to abuse him. My father, a big kid for his age (around 6′), one day decided he had enough and decked him. The school principal tried to “discipline” him; he too, took a right cross to the chin and went down.

    My father then decided he had enough of the old country, and essentially hitchhiked back to the USA, working as a hand on a steamer from Venice to Genoa to New York, where he moved in with his older brother and older sister, then college students at CCNY. He enrolled at George Washington HS and was a good student and student-athlete. Later, my grandparents decided that they, too, had enough of the old country (this was a couple years prior to the Anshluss), and returned to the USA, moving to Atlantic City. My father joined them, and enrolled in Atlantic City HS, where he was captain of the swimming team and set some state records which stood for many years.

    He was also a scrapper, and passed on his truculence to his son, who became physically bigger and stronger than he ever was although not quite as good a swimmer. Fortunately, his son became a high school and collegiate wrestler and blocking back, and worked out his aggression issues on the mat and gridiron rather than on a rabbi’s jaw. But if this rabbi ever messed with me…

  4. Why, Mr Yerachmiel, do you proclaim that he is a pervert due to being charged? You don’t believe that one is innocent until proven guilty? Especially someone of impeccable reputation??
    Those of us who learned in Bais Mikro know that Rabbi Bodenheimer gave many a potch, but we knew he was a consummate mechanech- if from the ‘Old School’.
    None of us can imagine for a moment that he’s a sex-abuser. BTW, the article which you linked, also showed that he ‘potched’, but it made no claim of CSA….
    Why are u so quick to label someone charged with a crime – that an entire community cant believe?

    • In the eyes of the law he is “innocent till proven guilty.” But knowing as I do the hareidi community, it takes incredibly much for a witness to come forward. To date I have never seen a false accusation in Haredi circles, other in some divorce cases where it is one of the parents making the claim. almost all such accusations are rejected by police after further investigations. So, if I were betting I would opt for 99% probability he is guilty.

      • Are you sure that the accuser is still in Haredi circles? I would wait to see if other accusers come forward. I can’t imagine that there would only be one victim throughout all these years.

        • You may be right about there often being more than one victim. But haredi victims are notoriously reluctant to testify because of social pressure, shidduchim, the danger of being thrown out of shuls, schools, and jobs, etc. I would roughly estimate from other cases that only 1 out of 50 or one out of 100 victims ever come forward to authorities, especially when the offender is someone prominent with important local connections.

          • That’s true, but in this case, Bodenheimer has been the target of numerous scathing critiques, enumerating a frightening history and pattern of physical abuse. But with all of that, no shortage of people willing to come forward and share their painful memories, no one has even eluded to rumors of sexual abuses.

            Doesn’t that even strike you as a little strange? I understand and agree with your assessment that members of the Chareidi community in general are hesitant to come forward with sexual abuse accusations, but wouldn’t you imagine that one of his haters might have hinted at something in this direction if there were any rumors of any such behavior? As you well know, sexual predators rarely have only one victim, especially so late in the predators life…

            • How many articles had been written by individuals detailing the physical abuse they received at Weberman’s hands? I don’t think the two cases are comparable relative to the point I’m making.

              By the way, I’m not arguing that he’s not guilty – I have no idea. I’m just pointing out that it’s a somewhat unique situation when you combine his age, the length of time he’s been in this type of proximity to “victims,” the amount of published, vocal criticism he’s received for other forms of abuse, and the total absence of ANY rumors regarding sexual impropriety.

            • YK and Zanvel, why do you try to argue that the alleged abuser (who was investigated by a specially trained division of the police that deals with sex crimes in Monsey and who apparently found the allegation credible and recommended charging him) has more credibility than his alleged survivor because of the lack of identical allegations or because you claim (I do not know or frankly care if it is true because it is irrelevant) the survivor and his family are not as “frum” as the accused? So what? I’ve looked at hundreds of cases in the Orthodox community and very often sexual predators are able to use the protections of “loshon harah” and “mesirah” to operate for decades without detection. It’s not uncommon at all.

              Moreover, here is an extended Rabbinical family of some significance that over the past ten months has had one member charged with sexual assault against an adult male in Maryland and another member charged with sexual assault against a seven year old over the course of a year in New York. Each has no prior criminal history. That is uncommon.

              Moreover, YK and Zanvel, don’t you consider a Rosh Yeshiva hiring Kenneth Gribetz to be his public shrill a public Chilul Hashem? If not, why?

  5. Updated (Excerpts):
    1) http://www.lohud.com/story/news/crime/2014/08/12/rabbi-gavriel-bodenheimer-monsey-sexual-abuse-charges-guilty-rockland-court-attorney-kenneth-gribetz/13942307/?from=global&sessionKey=&autologin=

    District Attorney Thomas Zugibe said in a news release that Bodenheimer, while serving as principal of Bais Mikroh, subjected the student to sexual abuse starting when the boy was 7. The sexual assaults took place in the rabbi’s school office between Aug. 1, 2009 and July 31, 2010, Zugibe said.

    Bodenheimer, who has 14 children and 100 grandchildren, has led the Bais Mikroh on Viola Road for decades, educating thousands of Orthodox Jewish boys. Allegations of corporal punishment have dogged the school, with former students making claims on Jewish blogs and news sites.

    2) http://www.midhudsonnews.com/News/2014/August/12/Bodenheimer_arr-12Aug14.htm
    3) http://7online.com/news/monsey-rabbi-arraigned-in-child-sex-crimes-case/253943/

    • Frightening. 14 kids, 100 grandchildren. I am definitely not of the school who believes that abused children become abusers. But, with such a tribe, mamash, do we know anything about his familial relationships? just a question, but abusers are usually equal opportunity employers…..

      • I have no idea what the lawsuits are about but given the unfolding events of the last day, I would certainly be interested in reading the 1989 lawsuit and any further background your readers have on Bodenheimer’s career over the past 71 years.

        What was his educational background?

        Where has he taught?

        Where else has he worked with children (camps etc)?

        • JWB, I can’t find the 1989 suit, not through text search & not through the index number. At least when I look it is not in the Courts website. But Bodenheimer owns the school which means he was suing himself. Obviously he stood something to gain. It may have been insurance related. He could have a verdict returned against him & then the school can use it to get an insurance payout. This can in many cases even be legal.

          The nursing home company that sued Bodenheimer owns a gigantic nursing home villa called Fountainview. The company is controlled by a wealthy Klein family who were involved in a Brooklyn lawsuit with a synagogue of Lubavitch persuasion. Bodenheimer appears to have attempted getting a restraining order against the Kleins.

  6. I believe that Rabbi Bodenheimer is a brother of Rabbi Michoel Bodenheimer, Rosh Kollel in Kiryat Sefer (brother-in-law of Rav Sheftel Neuberger, Menahel/President of Yeshivas Ner Yisrael in Baltimore, grandson-in-law of Rav Yaakov Kamenetsky).

  7. >Your last comment is irrelevant….

    I don’t think it is. There is a prevalence of abuse in our community today that is terrifying.

    Here is an extended Rabbinical family of some significance that over the past ten months has had one member charged with sexual assault against an adult male in Maryland and another member charged with sexual assault against a seven year old over the course of a year in New York.

  8. FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
    August 12, 2014
    Xiomara Lopez (845) 638-5013

    RAMAPO RABBI AND SCHOOL PRINCIPAL INDICTED ON CHILD SEX CHARGES
    Rockland County District Attorney Thomas P. Zugibe today announced that Gabriel Bodenheimer
    (DOB 04/08/43) of 3 Dunhill Lane, Monsey, New York was arraigned on an indictment charging
    him with:

    • Three counts of Criminal Sexual Act in the First Degree, class “B” Felonies
    • One count of Sex Abuse in the First Degree, a class “D” Felony

    relating to the repeated sexual abuse of a child.

    According to the charges, the defendant, while serving as principal of Bais Mikroh, a boy’s
    yeshiva in Monsey, subjected a student to sexual abuse starting when the boy was seven-years-old, said Thomas Zugibe.

    The series of allegedly sexual assaults occurred between August 1, 2009 and July 31, 2010.

    According to the charges, each of the criminal sexual acts was performed in the defendant’s office at the school.

    Bodenheimer’s bail was set at $25,000.

    His next court date will be on August 26, 2014

    The defendant faces a maximum of 25 years in state prison.

    Supervising Assistant District Attorney, Jennifer Parietti and Senior Assistant District Attorney,
    Kevin Dunlap will be prosecuting the case.
    #####
    Note to Editors: Press release e-version posted on RocklandCountyDA.com

    It should be noted that a criminal complaint is merely an accusation and that a defendant is presumed innocent until proven guilty.

    OFFICE OF THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY • ROCKLAND COUNTY
    Thomas P. Zugibe, District Attorney
    http://www.RocklandCountyDA.com

  9. I believe Bodenheimer was Menahel of Mesivta Ohel Torah.

    Senator Morahan introduced a resolution No. 3083 in 2004 in the New York State Legislature entitled something like “Commending Rabbi Gavriel Bodenheimer …”. I would like to see that as it might shed light on his background.

  10. It is important to note that this is yet another person from our community being charged with the most heinous crimes who has chosen Kenneth Gribetz, a known disgrace from our community, to defend him:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/private-shame-ends-public-career-article-1.677292#

    It crashed completely yesterday when he pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges of using county money for personal matters. It was a fatal blow to the image of the 50-year-old Gribetz as a strait-laced Orthodox Jew and married father to three daughters. Two weeks ago, his former mistress, Constance Taylor, smashed the facade by revealing the kinky details of their three-year affair in a front-page Daily New s story. There were sex toys, she said, and a contract in which he swore to be her sex slave. On Taylor’s answering machine tapes, Gribetz referred to himself as a “bad girl.” Federal search warrants detail the evidence investigators took from Taylor’s home, including what she called “Kenny’s cross-dressing wardrobe” a gold lame miniskirt, black high heels, pantyhose and a brunette wig. Gribetz didn’t deny the affair. Instead, he said it was over and insisted no taxpayer money was used to finance it. But his close friend and former law partner, Herschel Greenbaum, was telling the feds about the $6,000 secret cash payment he steered to Gribetz.

    Can the abuse apologists and deniers here explain why any decent person would chose a defender like Kenneth Gribetz, given the walking Chilul Hashem that he is? Why would anyone from our community want to associate in any way shape or form with him? Is this the only lawyer Rabbi Bodenheimer could find? Seriously?

    • Gribetz paid his debt to society. He is a capable criminal defense lawyer. We live in the US where the accused have a right to hire the counsel of their choice.

      • What is your Halachic basis for hiring a “lowlife” like Kenneth Gribetz? Has he done public Teshuva to those he harmed, including his ex-wife and community? Is association with him not a Chilul Hashem?

        I do not disagree that this is the US and that we are entitled to hire the lowest of the low to defend us. But of course we don’t have to. We can do better. I just want to know from Bodenheimer apologists and defenders if they are comfortable with his choice of lawyer and an explanation as to why this is the best he could do for representation. He had to hire the only Orthodox lawyer with a public history as stated above? A walking breathing Chilul Hashaem?

          • Make that 3 chilul hashems.. On your website which broadcasts these chilul hashems for all to see.
            Its the broadcasting of these scandals that spreads this chilul hashem in the world.

            If you indeed were so concerned about chilul shem shomayim you wouldn’t be doing what you’re doing.

            In case you don’t know, only death atones for chilul hashem, and I would assume even that’s only in conjunction with teshuva.
            So I would recommend you quickly do teshuva and stop trying to delude yourself of your great motives.

            • It’s a kiddush hashem for the world to see rabbonim in Chicago brave enough and diligent enough to protect students from predators. Until now even the Catholic Church was better than the frum world. Now Chicago has catapulted ahead. The chillul hashem is on the other side of the ocean where they are protecting jobs and organizations at the expense of girls. If all of us have to say al chet for giluy arayos it is because even those of us who did not do it, looked the other way. I am not tzadik and I have plenty of guilt when I say a vidui, but it for other things where I fall short. I feel none about this area or my blogging.

  11. You assume that the accuser’s family is part of the haredi community and therefore has an extra measure of credibility. given the courage required to step forward.

    Others have said that, in fact, the accused’s family is highly troubled, not originally from the religious community, and no longer a part of the religious community.

    Although this does not mean that the allegations cannot be true, it does indicate that the extra measure of credibility is unwarranted.

    I would also point out that in this case, it is not just the accused’s naive friends who are defending him. but even street-smart former students who, even though they don’t exactly have fond memories of him, acknowledge that these allegations make absolutely no sense.

    • I can write the script for you. That is what is said with almost anyone who dares to come forward. Clearly people are surprised to learn of these allegations. But guess what, sex offenders look just like everyone else.

      • Yerachmiel, how can he EVER prove his innocence, according to u….if the kid doesnt testify, u will say he was either paid off, or threatened, if the DA drops the charges, u will say it was an “inside” job….. What r your grounds for truly being innocent?

        • How can anyone ever prove his guilt to you. If he pleads guilty you will say he did it under the threat of unfair prosecution and will claim that Zugibe is trying to prove he is not partial to Haredim. If the case goes to trial you will ignore the Rashbah and say goyish courts should only convict with two adult kosher eidim. If there are such two witnesses you will say they are not kosher, because only someone OTD would testify in court. Even if respected rabbonim certify they are kosher and trustworthy you will say everyone knows the family is disturbed/BT/known for lying/ or the kid is mentally feeble and manipulated by someone trying to steal the seminary. And of course, if you find out that he beat the kid like he beat many others, you will say this is a contrived revenge plot.

          Just so I know your criteria for being convinced of guilt, tell me which Haredi defendants you believe were guilty and which were innocent? That will clarify the nature of our disagreement.

          • All the posts about him beating kids, is hyperbole! that’s NOT the issue he was arrested for, and should be in a different post. We can debate all day about chinuch, if the “old chinuch”is better than the “new chinuch”
            In direct answer to ur question; It would seem that “something” definitely DID happen with meisels, as the CBD collected testimony ect… With Weberman, there was a “kol” loooong before finally someone had enough guts to come forward. If Rabbi Bodenheimer has been in chinuch for 40+ yrs & there has not been even one accusation of such a nature (remember we are only discussing the charges at hand) and the WHOLE FAMILY is BT & not frum anymore and they have a grudge – not just the kid is OTD…. It is fair enough to truly give him the benefit of the doubt.

            • There is no heter to abuse bad kids or to ignore their claims of abuse. However, a recurrent pattern of frum abusers is to tell their victims: “no one will believe you. I am respected and you are not.”

              Let us not fall into the trap of evaluating the frumkeit or whatever. If the charges are true there should be justice. If not, let them be proven so with facts, not with character assassination.

              I would add, that frum abuser and those who protect them regularly malign their accusers and many of those statements are untrue. I am amused that those who scream most loudly about loshon horah routinely go beyond that into motzi shem rah.

      • I know absolutely nothing about this case. That being said, I feel it is very important to share the following:

        Myth: “Abusers act crazy, weird, sinister, suspicious, or creepy in public.

        Truth: Abusers look exactly like a normal person. If you met one on the street, you would likely be extremely impressed with his dignity and eloquence. Molesters are experts at not only hiding their misdeeds, but also at making themselves beloved and indispensable to parents and communities. This way, they can easily satisfy their desires in private, committing soul-murder with as little risk as possible. They carefully cultivate an image and use it to their advantage all the time. In fact, child molesters often wait many months before touching a child. First, they develop a friendship with the child’s parents so that the child won’t be believed if he has the courage to share what happened. Don’t be fooled! If you believe that an alleged molester “would never do it,” maybe that’s what he cunningly had you believe. I know he may seem extremely generous and kind. Think “by design.”

      • From what I am hearing, it’s not that he is like everyone else but that he was particularly cold and distant with kids. The opposite of the “friendly, good with kids” stereotype molester.

    • Only in our school system is such a Chilul Hashem possible, an alleged pedophile may still continue running a school while out on bail:

      http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/08/12/monsey-rabbi-accused-of-sexually-abusing-7-year-old-boy/

      As CBS 2’s Steve Langford reported, Bodenheimer pleaded not guilty and was released on bail, which was set at $25,000. He was seen exiting Rockland County Jail with a paper bag over his head, Langford reported.

      It is unclear whether he will still serve as principal at the school; an official inside the school would not comment, Langford reported.

    • If it showed it was because you ignored the labels for the fields and put your email into the name field. I correct those errors when I notice them or they are drawn to my attention. I can’t prevent you or others from ignoring clear directions which 99% of commenters get right.

  12. if it turns out that the kid was a liar, I am sure that all those that ripped him apart here will beg his forgiveness–yeah, sure they would–I have no idea who is wrong and who is right here, but I believe in the concept of “bobjectivity”–people are innocent until proven guilty in this country, no?-whatever people have said about him regarding past behavior has nothing to do with child sexual molestation-ya wanna go after him for those things, fine-but one would have thought, with so many years in the biz, that this type of activity would have come out before–and I don’t buy “people are afraid to come forward, blah blah blah”-I only know myself, and if anyone in the world would have layed a hand on my child, then the world would have not been a big enough place for him to hide–I HIGHLY doubt that I am the only one that shares that feeling-I am not defending HIM, but I AM defending the principal of objectivity. Unless it is spelled principle in this instance. In which case, I am defending the principle of objectivity–for the principle–unless…-well, you know what I mean–anyhow, if it were you or your relative, you would expect and demand the same–just like feminists say “women don’t lie about rape”, (unless of course they are claiming rape by a liberal politician, then, of course it is their fault), women DO lie-children also lie–they can be manipulated by parents whom they adore to say that black is white, up is down, etc–it HAS happened, anyone who is intellectually honest and isn’t so emotionally involved in their distaste for this man, or for the frum world, KNOIWS that kids can lie–time will tell, everyone is entitled to a fair trial–a pretty simple concept for those that don’t lead with their hearts–and, in the words of one of the greatest philosophers I know (ME), “leading with the heart leads to disaster”-

    • Robert we are talking about a boy now 12 that alleges he was sexually abused over the course of a full year from age 7 to 8. If you review the literature and cases you will see that children typically do not make up these sort of stories. The boy went to police in December and the 8 month investigation was led by the Rockland District Attorney’s Office special unit that deals with sex crimes against children. These are specially trained objective professionals that deal with these sort of allegations and crimes on a daily basis. They are in the best position to evaluate the complainant, the allegations and the alleged abuser. They do not prosecute every complaint that they receive they are not merely a “rubber stamp”. They investigated and determined that the allegations were credible and that the alleged abuser should be charged. We are entitled to rely on that determination at this point. You talk about objectivity but you are not in your analysis. “innocent until proven guilty” is only a legal principle concerning the status of a defendant prior to a determination of issues by a court. It does not mean we throw away common sense and it does not mean that we treat the defendant as if he had never been charged with heinous crimes. It does not mean we should continue to give the defendant access to children in the interim.

      Can you provide one documented example of a person falsely accused of child sexual abuse in the Orthodox community that was charged with same, that was cleared of the charges and whose accuser (or people controlling/manipulating the accused) was (were) charged and convicted of perjury/making a false statement to police? I doubt it. As such your analysis is junk and what you claim to “know” is irrelevant and certainly not objective.

      The problem is that you are woefully ignorant of the prevalence and impact of child sexual abuse and children in our community and our children suffer due to your ignorance and the ignorance of others in our community like you who attack/question the veracity of the brave survivors that come forward and make complaints to the proper authorities. You confuse myths and subjective beliefs with facts.

      Without a shred of evidence you attempt to question the honesty and integrity of a 12 year old Jewish boy and his parents who have been found credible by the forensic investigators that are trained and have daily experience in evaluating such allegations and crimes. How many child sex abuse cases have you investigated or even researched? What you have done in a public forum to this brave boy and his family is pure mozi shem rah and it you who should do teshuva immediately by retracting your ignorant speculation and apologizing to those you’ve wronged with your words. A survivor of abuse should never be treated as guilty until proved otherwise. That is your approach here and it is obscene.

    • I really wish you would take the nasty language out of your responses-It is just so totally unnecessary-“junk, ignorant, obscene”, etc-stop with the childish adjectives-Besides that, your points are very good ones, and I would of course agree with you that someone accused of this should not have access to children until the trial has run it’s course-In defense of my points, in saying that children lie (and women), I did not mean in any particular community, and that to me is irrelevant-if you would like to bet me $10k that there are children and women that have been found to have lied about sexual abuse, then, by all means, contact me through my facebook page and we will draw up papers to make a formal wager-and if you would, on the other hand, agree that there are children who have lied, then it seems that you are allowing your emotion to overtake your logic- do you truly believe that that would happen ONLY outside of the frum world, but for a child to lie when accusing an orthodox person is beyond the scope of possiblities?-Indeed it is you, by calling the child “brave”, that is showing a true lack of objectivity-he has been investigated by forensic investigators and they have brought charges?-of course, no one has EVER been acquitted once the authorities have brought charges, have they?-Why even bother having trials??-I mean, if the police make the decision he is guilty, let’s not waste time and money!-at least, according to your philosophy-and you YOURSELF say that literature show that children do not TYPICALLY make up these stories–umm-well, let’s see-the word “typically” seems to imply that…ummm-hold on… THAT THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS!!! I have no idea if this man is guilty or innocent-YOU have no idea if this man is guilty or innocent–unless of course you are a navi-Has there been alot of sexual abuse that has been swept under the rug in the frum world?-Absolutely, and I detest that with every fiber of my being–does that therefore give anyone the right to destroy a person based on an accusation, even if investigated by the police?–I say no, and am amazed that anyone would disagree.

      • Of course everything has happened on occasion. The question is how often? Why make a fetish of the remote possibility of a lie. For your observation to be pertinent you would also have to assume that the lie could not be discerned by investigators or by the prosecutors who brought the case to a grand jury for an indictment, or by the grand jury that heard the testimony of witnesses. Now it becomes even less probable that we are dealing with lie.

        Most lies are discerned by this process. Moreover the most frequent lies aren’t committed by kids themselves but by divorcing or divorced parents in custody disputes who claim the other parent is an abuser. This is clearly not the case for 70-year-old Bodenheimer.

        So the question is not whether you would bet money that some child, somewhere, lied. The question is whether you would take a bet that this real child in this real case lied. Why obsess about lies in this case, given the astronomically low odds?

        • Pardon me for having a “Fetish” for allowing cases to be tried in courts before destroying someone’s life.–Not really knowing the accused, and not knowing at all the accuser and their family, I wouldn’t bet on this case-but, I will bet that the court gets it right–but, according to your logic, since the court sometimes gets it wrong, (ever heard of OJ), then I guess we should just shoot the guy without a trial.

          • >Pardon me for having a “Fetish” for allowing cases to be tried in courts
            >before destroying someone’s life.

            Robert there is a high burden within the system before anyone is actually charged. Charges themselves destroy lives. But the forensic investigators found the charges credible so charges were brought.

            >–Not really knowing the accused, and not knowing at all the accuser and their family, I
            >wouldn’t bet on this case-but, I will bet that the court gets it right–but, according to your
            >logic, since the court sometimes gets it wrong, (ever heard of OJ),

            My problem with you is that you speculate as to the survivor of abuse and his family with not one actual fact and smear them as possible liars when there is zero evidence to support such a smear. All the experience of professionals in this area is that survivors of abuse do not exaggerate or make such allegations up.

            >then I guess we should just shoot the guy without a trial.

            We don’t shoot anyone in the State of NY even if convicted. Try not to use such extreme and inappropriate language.

            • Charges themselves are much more apt to destroy lives, but acquittals help repair them–something wrong with your referring to the accuser as the “survivor”, and then accuse me of “smearing” them as liars-I have said repeatedly that I have no idea who is right here, and have never said that the kid is lying–but, somehow in gets processed in your mind that just raising the possibility that he might be is “smearing him” and his family–in addition, your branding him as a survivor (and therefore branding the accuser as a child rapist) without knowing for a fact that this abuse happened, or a conviction in a court of law, demonstrates a seeming inability to divorce emotion from logic–I have recently discovered your site, in my attempts to find a site more objective than “failed messiah” or yeshiva world and voz is neis–And, I thought I might have found it–but, alas, my search continues, probably in vain.

            • “All the experience of professionals in this area is that survivors of abuse do not exaggerate or make such allegations up.”

              That sentence is almost a tautology.

              You are overstating your case. Although accusations of sexual abuse are rarely exaggerated and rarely made up, it is not true that it never happens. People have successfully reversed actual convictions and been exonerated after years in prison. It is rare, but it does happen.

            • jewishwhistleblower has thrown down the gauntlet. Find one case in the orthodox world where a sex abuse accusation was proven false by either a judicial determination, or by a lawsuit victory. Perhaps he is right about the objective reality.

            • Robert you stated “if it turns out that the kid was a liar”. But you have no factual basis to even speculate as to that. It is clear Mozi Shem Rah.

              Even if Bodenheimer is acquitted that does not mean he is innocent. That distinction might be lost on you. Moreover, based on the forensic investigation to date and the recommendation of criminal charges, even if acquitted Bodenheimer might not be able to work in the public school system for example in NY. On the other hand, unless there are bail restrictions, he can go to work tomorrow with children in the Orthodox schooling system which has lower protections for children. For example, Kolko can work at any private Orthodox school in NY today, the public schools would require a good character hearing before Kolko could work in the public system and he likely could not satifsfy such a hearing.

            • >something wrong with your referring to the accuser as the “survivor”,
              >and then accuse me of “smearing” them as liars

              Bodenheimer was charged not the survivor of abuse. You seem to believe an accuser is guilty or suspect until proven innocent. That is not how it works.

              The survivor is a brave 12 year old boy, The forensic investigators found him to be credible. He unlike Bodenheimer has not been charged or accused of any crime. He is a survivor.

            • >jewishwhistleblower has thrown down the gauntlet. Find one case in the
              >orthodox world where a sex abuse accusation was proven false by either a judicial
              >determination, or by a lawsuit victory. Perhaps he is right about the objective reality.

              Just to be clear. I want one documented example of a person falsely accused of child sexual abuse in the Orthodox community that was charged (criminally) with same, that was cleared of the charges (criminal) and whose accuser (or people controlling/manipulating the accused) was (were) charged (criminally) and convicted of perjury/making a false statement to police/court.

          • Gee, I must have been shooting without even noticing. You started out pleading for objectivity and talking about accusers lying. I conceded the point but questioned the likelihood. How does that turn me into an assassin vigilante?

      • >I really wish you would take the nasty language out of your responses
        >-It is just so totally unnecessary-“junk, ignorant, obscene”, etc-stop
        >with the childish adjectives-

        I get angry when people make accusations that Orthodox men, women and children are liars and make (and conspire with others in the Orthodox community to make) false accusations of child sexual abuse. There is no basis for such allegations. I challenge you to find one case in the Orthodox community where a person falsely accused of child sexual abuse in the Orthodox community that was charged with same, that was cleared of the charges and whose accuser (or people controlling/manipulating the accused) was (were) charged and convicted of perjury/making a false statement to police and/or the Court.

        >-if you would like to bet me $10k that there are children and women that
        >have been found to have lied about sexual abuse, then, by all means,
        >contact me through my facebook page and we will draw up papers to
        >make a formal wager-and if you would, on the other hand, agree that
        >there are children who have lied, then it seems that you are allowing
        >your emotion to overtake your logic- do you truly believe that that would
        >happen ONLY outside of the frum world, but for a child to lie when
        >accusing an orthodox person is beyond the scope of possiblities?
        >-Indeed it is you,

        Again stop the posturing and just man up and either produce one example of such a case in the Orthodox community or retract your claim. Anything is possible. But that does not mean it is probable. There are men, women and children that have lied. So what? Produce one case in the Orthodox community where a person falsely accused of child sexual abuse in the Orthodox community that was charged with same, that was cleared of the charges and whose accuser (or people controlling/manipulating the accused) was (were) charged and convicted of perjury/making a false statement to police and/or the Court. How hard can it be according to you?

        >by calling the child “brave”, that is showing a true lack of objectivity

        Any 12 year old who is willing to go to the police and be subjected to interrogation on this sort of subject is brave. Period. If you can’t see that you’ve lost objectivity.

        >-he has been
        >investigated by forensic investigators and they have brought charges?

        Yes. That means they found him credible and the prosecutor believed that a conviction was likely otherwise no charges would have been brought.

        >-of course, no one has EVER been acquitted once the authorities
        >have brought charges, have they?-Why even bother having trials??
        🍸 mean, if the police make the decision he is guilty, let’s not waste
        >time and money!-at least, according to your philosophy-and you>
        >YOURSELF say that literature show that children do not TYPICALLY
        >make up these stories–umm-well, let’s see-the word “typically”
        >seems to imply that…ummm-hold on… THAT THERE ARE
        >EXCEPTIONS!!!

        We have criminal trials because the state has burdens to meet before we take away a person’s freedoms and liberty. If this were a civil trial the burden would be much lower and we could declare a person a pedophile and make them pay damages. The easy example was OJ Simpson. He was acquitted at the criminal trial but found liable at the civil trial. You claim that children make up allegations of child sexual abuse in our community to the criminal authorities so produce the evidence of same.

        >I have no idea if this man is guilty or innocent-YOU have no idea if this man is guilty
        >or innocent–unless of course you are a navi-Has there been alot of sexual abuse
        >that has been swept under the rug in the frum world?-Absolutely, and I detest that
        >with every fiber of my being–does that therefore give anyone the right to
        >destroy a person based on an accusation, even if investigated by the police?
        >–I say no, and am amazed that anyone would disagree.

        I am entitled to rely on the findings of the forensic investigators that determined the charges were credible and recommended criminal charges.

    • I read the study you posted. 1stly it is merely a sampling, which USUALLY, is correct, there are exeptions . 2ndly this study is for the rest of the world…it does not study a renowned talmid chacham of impeccable credentials, who has not ONE complaint of this nature in his 40+ yrs in chinuch
      I understand your not wanting to discuss the backround of the accuser, or his family & what their matzav of yiddishkeit is now…..however it is VERY impt to this particular case…. not just plain lashon hara to “trash” them… in ” most” frum molesting cases, the kid was unfortunately molested, went off the derech while his family is still frum & left to “pick up the pieces”….. that is NOT the story in this case… here they ALL went off & have an ax to grind w/ Rabbi B…..

      • 1) Neither of us know what Bodenheimer’s complete history in education is as it is not public information. Do you know what schools or camps he has worked at? Have you read his CV?

        2) Your allegations against the survivor and family are meaningless. His allegations were investigated by forensic investigators who deal with such matters on a daily basis. The investigators found the charges credible and the prosecutors chose to prosecute because they are convinced of the Bodenheimer’s guilt and believe they have the proof to establish it (that is their ethical burden in order to bring criminal charges).

        3) “renowned talmid chacham of impeccable credentials” so what? Eisav was a “renowned talmid chacham of impeccable credentials”. Esav the son Yitzhak was also a murder and a rapist.

        4) You want to discuss family background. In our case here we have an extended Rabbinical family (Bodenheimer/Neuberger) of some significance that over the past ten months has had one member charged with sexual assault against an adult male in Maryland and another member charged with sexual assault against a seven year old over the course of a year in New York. How common is that? I would also note that there is no evidence that the survivor of abuse or his family have been charged with any crime ever.

        5) Zanvel don’t you consider a Rosh Yeshiva hiring Kenneth Gribetz to be his public shrill a public Chilul Hashem? If not, why?

  13. Why was he arrested? Do they arrest someone simply on the claim of another party that an evil was done or is corroborating evidence necessary?

    • The police conduct an investigation getting account from accuser, corroborating what they can, sometimes seeking alibis from alleged defendant. In interviewing they are assessing credibility of different parties. They reach a preliminary conclusion that the case could be prosecuted. In this case the DA was involved in getting a felony indictment. they had to present witnesses before a grand jury. the jury is free to ask questions of witnesses unlike juries in trials. A DA is legally and ethically bound to not prosecute unless they are convinced of the defendant’s guilt and believe they have the proof to establish it.

      Apart from the legal requirements, it is a fact of life that DAs hate bringing cases they can lose.

  14. Thank you YL, for stressing, reminding folks that DA’s “hate bringing cases they can lose”. everyone should read that and take it to heart. A parallel might be a lawyer who takes a case re police abuse on “contingency”. Does he really want to waste his time for 30% of the court award to the plaintiff? No, he does it because he believes he can win a hefty settlement.

  15. Dear Yerachmiel, Whistel blower and Failed Massia. It is obvious that no matter how much logic Robert Millman will put before you, you are unable to overcome your one track bigoted hatred for anyone that was accused of sexual assault. Sort of like the U.N. when it comes to Israel, accept they actually on rare occasions side with the Jews, unlike you.
    Let’s try and break it down for you: If someone is a “survivor” that means he survived something. In this case you are referring to the boy as a “survivor”. So what did he survive? If you mean to say he survived Bodenheimer, then that means you know for a fact that Bodenheimer is guilty? In the U.S. everyone is entitled to a fair trial. Yes, we know you prefer that it didn’t work that way when it comes to frum Jews. Kill him first, after all he’s frum. Sorry, being that this is the United states and there was no trial, How do you know that he’s guilty? How do you know this even though the guy never had a trial?.
    This leaves us with one conclusion. You were there when it happened! So what we have here is guys like Lopin and whistle head that were obviously there in the room when the abuse occurred 4 years ago. For 4 years they have been withholding and hiding sex abuse from the police!!! And to top it all off they claim that they are trying to “protect children” from abuse… all the while covering it up!!!
    Now I ask you everyone here, with friends like that who needs enemy’s?

    • U R nitpicking about terminology. would you stop complaining if the term was alleged victim or alleged survivor.

      Stop the absurd logic also championed by R. Eidensohn, that either an accusation is too early or too late. Yes, as the NYT editorial board argued this week, there are many well-known psychological factors that delay the reporting of sexual abuse.

      • Deleted by blog proprietor, Yerachmiel Lopin, for blatantly misrepresenting the position it attacks in ways inconceivable except as an attempt to mislead and to undercut fair discussion of competing points of view. The opportunity to argue is not a license to mislead. This is trolling of the most reprehensible sort. Yerachmiel Lopin

    • Thank you Jenny–Forrest Gump likes you, and so do I (Hopefully you have seen the movie and get the reference!). Although you sure need some some grammatical and spelling instruction!!-“Enemy’s”???–Listen, I can use understand the absolute anger frustration of those who have been following the scene for many years and have seen abusers get away with these horrible crimes–I hate ANYONE that would abuse a child or keep quiet and thereby allow it to continue–I HATE THEM!!-I get it!!-But every case needs to be looked at separately, and innocence MUST be presumed until proven guilty–Enough said bout this–those that don’t agree with me on this at this point, never will, and that doesn’t make them bad people.

  16. >anyone that was accused of sexual assault.

    He wasn’t “just accused”. The boy went to police in December and the 8 month investigation was led by the Rockland District Attorney’s Office special unit that deals with sex crimes against children. These are specially trained objective professionals that deal with these sort of allegations and crimes on a daily basis. They are in the best position to evaluate the complainant, the allegations and the alleged abuser. They do not prosecute every complaint that they receive they are not merely a “rubber stamp”. They investigated and determined that the allegations were credible and that the alleged abuser should be charged. Moreover, the prosecutors chose to prosecute because they are convinced of the Bodenheimer’s guilt and believe they have the proof to establish it (that is their ethical burden in order to bring criminal charges). We are entitled to rely on that determination at this point.

    >Sort of like the U.N. when it comes to Israel, accept they actually on rare occasions
    >side with the Jews, unlike you.

    No idea what you are trying to say. I am not the UN and Israel is not an alleged child molester.

    >Let’s try and break it down for you: If someone is a “survivor” that means he survived
    >something. In this case you are referring to the boy as a “survivor”. So what did he survive?
    >If you mean to say he survived Bodenheimer,

    Child sexual abuse, allegation of which the forensic investigators found credible.

    >then that means you know for a fact that Bodenheimer is guilty?

    No I know that based on the findings of the forensic investigators and the determination of the prosecutor, Bodenheimer more than likely committed the alleged crime. Criminal guilt will be determined by a jury or a judge. I am not the jury of the judge,

    >In the U.S. everyone is entitled to a fair trial.

    Yes, and your point?

    >we know you prefer that it didn’t work that way when it comes to frum Jews. Kill him first,
    >after all he’s frum.

    Try writing rationally. I never said “frum Jewish” child abusers should be treated differently then “non-frum Jewish” child abusers or “non-Jewish” child abusers. Nor have I ever advocated murder. Nor is the death penalty available in this case. Can you quote me or direct me to any statements that are the basis for your blood libel?

    >Sorry, being that this is the United states and there was no trial, How do you know
    >that he’s guilty?

    I never claimed that, see above.

    >How do you know this even though the guy never had a trial?.

    I never claimed that, see above.

    >This leaves us with one conclusion. You were there when it happened!
    >So what we have here is guys like Lopin and whistle head that were
    >obviously there in the room when the abuse occurred 4 years ago.
    >For 4 years they have been withholding and hiding sex abuse from the police!!!
    >And to top it all off they claim that they are trying to “protect children” from abuse
    >… all the while covering it up!!!
    >Now I ask you everyone here, with friends like that who needs enemy’s?

    That is just irrational logic. I clearly was not there.

    What you fail to understand is the prevalence of child sexual abuse in society and our community, that few instances of child sexual abuse are disclosed, fewer are reported to the authorities (even fewer within the narrow limitation period in NY State), fewer lead to criminal charges and due to the high burden on the state even fewer lead to convictions.

    I am entitled to believe the brave survivor or alleged survivor. The 12 year old boy was never charged with anything and there certainly is no reason to presume he is doing anything other then telling the truth. And all the literature and cases support my view.

  17. I cannot take up JWB’s challenge and produce a case where a frum person accused of child molestation was found to be the victim of false charges, but I do personally know a case where a frum adult was accused of sexual crimes against an adult and it was eventually determined the charges were false. This, after the DA investigated, brought it to trial, yada yada. I’m not saying it’s likely – it’s NOT – in fact, it’s highly unlikely, but it exists. And this was not a divorce-revenge case either. Just a simple revenge case. How about the case against Dominique Strauss-Kahn? The DA eventually dropped the case when the accuser was found to be unreliable (ie, changing her story multiple times). Or do I dare say the Duke Lacrosse team, members who were accused of rape despite none of their DNA found on the victim at all (a fact shockingly withheld from all relevant parties)? JWB, I agree with exposing child molesters, their enablers, and crooked DAs. I AGREE WITH YOU. But you cannot throw a fit every time someone suggests we wait for the evidence to come out at trial and for the accused to defend himself. Until then we are allowed to remain undecided. Keep your kids away from him in the meantime, sure, but we are allowed to remain skeptical of charges until they are proven in court. If you have a bone with that, then as others have said, why have trials altogether?

  18. “jewishwhistleblower has thrown down the gauntlet. Find one case in the orthodox world where a sex abuse accusation was proven false by either a judicial determination, or by a lawsuit victory. Perhaps he is right about the objective reality.”

    I didn’t say I knew of cases in the Orthodox world, just that I know of cases where accusations of molestation turned out to be false. I was referring to these in particular:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wee_Care_Nursery_School_abuse_trial
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Baran
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kern_County_child_abuse_cases
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Amirault

    But if you use google you can find plenty of more recent cases.

    http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/video/10061951-charges-dropped-against-teacher-accused-of-molestation/
    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/57977561-78/guzman-montreux-son-biting.html.csp
    http://patch.com/california/monrovia/monrovia-man-acquitted-on-all-counts-in-school-sexuald31c239958#.U_A8-OOzH-s
    http://www.suntimes.com/news/crime/28462140-418/epic-high-school-coach-acquitted-in-sex-abuse-case.html#.U_A90eOzH-s

    And while googling I find a case in the Orthodox world: http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/117800/gateshead-man-cleared-sexually-abusing-teenage-boy

    • You are missing jewishwhistleblower’s challenge. He specifically said the proof that a charge is false is that either the accused sued successfully for defamation. the case you cite was in the UK where the person complaining about being defamed has the law on his side and it is much harder to defend against defamation in in England than in the US. JWB’s other specification was within the orthodox world. He was quite clear that the orthodox world is particularly hard on accusers. So you have one orthodox case and the accused while he got off never sued for defamation or got the authorities to charge his accuser of perjury or bringing a false charge. Sorry, nice try but no banana.

      The ultra orthodox context is relevant since you started off complaining that Bodenheimer could very well be a victim of a false accusation.

      • I was responding to your post and looking for cases of Judicial determination or lawsuit victory. I didn’t see JWB’s follow post requiring a defamation standard.

        It is extremely difficult to win a defamation law suit in the US and if it looks like someone will win, things will usually settle out of court. Furthermore, there are often easier claims that a wrongfully sued person can bring to get some compensation, such as wrongful termination. See, e.g., http://articles.latimes.com/1989-10-27/local/me-815_1_school-district

        • Yes. It is also hard to convict someone of abuse. JWB’s point, with which I agree, is that the proof that a charge is false is successful criminal or civil victories against the accuser. He contends and i agree, that they are rare in the general world and none has yet occurred in a case involving an orthodox abuser. If you find such a case, I will be very interested and will carefully attend to it.

          • I agree that it is hard to convict someone of abuse, and therefore a not guilty verdict doesn’t mean “innocent.” But I don’t think that proof that a charge was false requires successful criminal or civil victories against the accuser. Often once the person is exonerated they sue the DA, or their employer, but not the accuser. The reality of civil suits is that you don’t sue, which costs a lot of money, unless the person or entity you are suing can pay out. Sometimes they don’t sue at all. That doesn’t mean they are guilty, it might just mean that they don’t want to revisit the ordeal, want to put the whole affair behind them, or don”t have a deep pocket to sue.

            One of the things you learn in a criminal law class is that prosecution varies wildly depending on who the DA or ADA in charge of the case is. Some DAs will be too cautious and others will be overzealous.

            • One of the things you learn in a class about the politics of law enforcement is that members of critical voting blocks are less likely to be victims of overzealous prosecutors than those who are poor and without political clout.

      • I want to also point out that I was not “complaining” that Bodenheimer could very well be a victim of a false accusation. I normally assume that someone indicted on child molestation charges is guilty, at the very least for my own protection and that of my children. In this case in particular I heard from friends of mine who have serious disdain for the man, saying that they don’t believe the charges and that led me to strongly consider that the accusation might be false. At this point I am 50-50.

        I would like to see a second person come forward, even if they don’t press charges.

  19. Again, do you and/or JWB “allow” anyone the right to remain undecided until the outcome of the trial? Are we ALLOWED to remain skeptical of the charges until proven in a court of law? Anyone who expresses a shred of scepticism here gets beaten down. And ftr, I don’t know the accuser from a hole in the wall and am perfectly happy to believe he is guilty as charged. But it does bother me when people here are beaten down for simply saying we should wait for trial (while taking precautions in the meantime).

    • Please, do not make it sound like anyone is depriving your of your constitutional or intellectual rights. Bodenheimer is also out on bail, and will be given a full chance to make his case at trial and the burden of proof will be on the prosecution.

      In the meantime, I would say that the odds are extraordinarily high that Bodenheimer is guilty.

      In my experience, over-obsessing about the possibility of false accusations in orthodox sex abuse cases usually comes from those in denial, those who defend every last charedi miscreant, or from the defendant and his immediate circle.

      I have never and will never reject a defendant’s right to scrutinize the prosecution case and mount a full legal defense. As a Haredi he will doubtlessly get all the financial support to mount his defense effectively. But while we await trial or a guilty plea, I presume the extreme high likelihood that he will end up convicted.

      The problem is balancing the risk (however miniscule) against the risk of not taking sex abuse seriously enough.

      Check out Barbara Blaine’s take on the issue (and watch her video from her amazing speech before a Chicago orthodox Jewish audience. https://frumfollies.wordpress.com/2014/03/31/balancing-the-risk-of-false-accusations-against-child-safety/

      Also check out this amazing video by Rav Moshe Soloveitchik, son of Aaron Soloveitchik and Nephew of The Rav, (Yosef Dov Soloveitchik).

    • Please, do not make it sound like anyone is depriving your of your constitutional or intellectual rights. Bodenheimer is also out on bail, and will be given a full chance to make his case at trial and the burden of proof will be on the prosecution.

      In the meantime, I would say that the odds are extraordinarily high that Bodenheimer is guilty.

      In my experience, over-obsessing about the possibility of false accusations in orthodox sex abuse cases usually comes from those in denial, those who defend every last charedi miscreant, or from the defendant and his immediate circle.

      I have never and will never reject a defendant’s right to scrutinize the prosecution case and mount a full legal defense. As a Haredi he will doubtlessly get all the financial support to mount his defense effectively. But while we await trial or a guilty plea, I presume the extreme high likelihood that he will end up convicted.

      The problem is balancing the risk (however miniscule) against the risk of not taking sex abuse seriously enough.

      Check out Barbara Blaine’s take on the issue (and watch her video from her amazing speech before a Chicago orthodox Jewish audience. https://frumfollies.wordpress.com/2014/03/31/balancing-the-risk-of-false-accusations-against-child-safety/

      Also check out this amazing video by Rav Moshe Soloveitchik, son of Aaron Soloveitchik and Nephew of The Rav, (Yosef Dov Soloveitchik). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apGcxfhZ01U

  20. It is not that difficult to get an indictment. He may be guilty and he may not be guilty, but an indictment is not proof. I don’t know Rabbi Bodenheimer personally. He should be kept away from children in the interim period, but we should not assume that he is guilty. This is what the Chofetz Chaim would pasken, but so many people here are wiser than he.

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