Will Failed Messiah Blog Call Out Cruz?

According to mega-church, televangelist Kenneth Copeland, Ted Cruz has been anointed by God to be the next president. Diversified Holdings, the new owners of the Failed Messiah Blog, say they will use the blog to do what Hashem (God) wants. They clearly feel as confident as some Dominionist pastors in knowing whether or not Cruz is the annointed (aka, Messiah, Moshiach).

Diversified Holdings, please let your readers know whether Ted Cruz is a false messiah.

When you are done with that give us some more clues about how you understand Hashem’s wishes. For example is Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson the Moshiach or not. When you write his name, will it end with shlita (a blessing for long life) or zatzal (a call for remembering the righteous)?

UPDATE 2/9/16- Seriously, These Are the Real Questions I Want Answered

The above was some irresistible satire occasioned by the news item that Cruz was anointed to be president. Of course I know that Diversified Holdings does not “hold” from that. But there are serious questions I wish you would answer. For starters how will you reconcile a Haredi understanding of loshon horah with you stated goal of exposing those who desecrate God’s name. You speak of wanting to do what Hashem wants. Since prophecy lapsed over two millennia ago according to Jewish tradition, what is your alternative channel. Presumably, it is Daas Torah. But which specific rabbi(s) do you intend to consult for Daas Torah?

The very name of you blog was an attack on the significant number of Chabad chasidim who consider their late Rebbe, the Moshiach.  No other orthodox group accepts the claim but some go further and refuse to deal with Chabad for that reason or won’t let them have any role in their institutions. Examples include the late leader of the Litvish world, R. Eliezer Man Shach. The late R. Belsky was also a vigorous opponent of Chabad as are others. So the retention of the name begs the question of where does Diversified stand.

I understand and appreciate that Diversified needs time to complete the transition, but it would be helpful if you could issue a substantial statement clarifying your intentions and the likely thrust of your blogging. Of course, in the end a tree is judged by its fruit and you will be judged by what you cover, how you cover it, and what you choose not to cover.

Similarly, Diversified needs a clear statement of you commenting policy. I agree that comments should be moderated so there is civility while encouraging constructive disagreement. Most frum news sites claim that is their policy as well, but I have regularly seen blatant and deceptive deviation from the claimed policy. I would urge you to struggle with the difficult task of authentically aligning your policy and practice.

As difficult as that task can be, whistle-blowers need to be supported and protected if Diversified is to succeed in exposing those who desecrate God’s name, which is one of your stated goals.

Just one final thought. I often think of Isaiah’s answer to the question of what God wants:

A people laden with iniquity… Children that deal corruptly… To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto Me?… When ye come to appear before Me, Who hath required this at your hand, To trample My courts? Bring no more vain oblations; It is an offering of abomination unto Me; New moon and sabbath, the holding of convocations— I cannot endure iniquity along with the solemn assembly. Your new moons and your appointed seasons My soul hateth; They are a burden unto Me; I am weary to bear them… Your hands are full of blood. Wash you, make you clean, Put away the evil of your doings From before Mine eyes, Cease to do evil; Learn to do well; Seek justice, relieve the oppressed, Judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.

If that is Diversified’s understanding and you consistently act on it, I wish you well, however much we may differ on specifics and tactics.

See also: My Jewish Ethos

 

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144 thoughts on “Will Failed Messiah Blog Call Out Cruz?

  1. two good points, (of course it’s one).
    politics, a bloody shame that cruz is controlled by GS, with or without his large loans, with or without his wife’s highly interesting position there,

    now, back to reality, LOL, yes, we are all on pins and needles re the title/yachas afforded MMS,
    They must make a stand, It should be significant,
    and, will, influence their reader base, assuming that it is done in good style. as in nice crypt.
    Hey, seriously seriously some of my best friends, seriously, and i hold them in high esteem. atually seriously. bli tschok.
    oy vey, they are not messichistim,
    definitively not, that group is so aggressivi that the rest sort of close ranks and do not address the machloket, the others are so aggressive, that, i think if the non-m’s were to go for it,
    there might be street fighting as the two Satmar brothers lovingly displayed some years back, Nice, great example for the goyim, Beautiful,
    I’ve asked, and never received a good answer, how long can a chassidische group. aka cult, continue without a Rebbe,. There are some other examples, and have indeed continued in civilized yiddish ways,
    Beinatayim, chabad is conquering the world,
    gesundaheit or whatever that yidddish expression is, (forgive me, my childhood is long ago).
    Opinion,??
    No way in Hades, will they keep the FM name.
    Are we going to take bets, maybe on yom kippur, check it out, like the parrot story, oy gevalt,

  2. UPDATE 2/9/16-

    The above was some irresistible satire occasioned by the news item that Cruz was anointed to be president. Of course I know that Diversified Holdings does not “hold” from that. But there are serious questions I wish you would answer. For starters how will you reconcile a Haredi understanding of loshon horah with you stated goal of exposing those who desecrate God’s name. You speak of wanting to do what Hashem wants. Since prophecy lapsed over two millennia ago according to Jewish tradition, what is your alternative channel. Presumably, it is Daas Torah. But which specific rabbi(s) do you intend to consult for Daas Torah?

    The very name of you blog was an attack on the significant number of Chabad chasidim who consider their late Rebbe, the Moshiach. No other orthodox group accepts the claim but some go further and refuse to deal with Chabad for that reason or won’t let them have any role in their institutions. Examples include the late leader of the Litvish world, R. Eliezer Man Shach. The late R. Belsky was also a vigorous opponent of Chabad as are others. So the retention of the name begs the question of where does Diversified stand.

    I understand and appreciate that Diversified needs time to complete the transition, but it would be helpful if you could issue a substantial statement clarifying your intentions and the likely thrust of your blogging. Of course, in the end a tree is judged by its fruit and you will be judged by what you cover, how you cover it, and what you choose not to cover.

    Similarly, Diversified needs a clear statement of you commenting policy. I agree that comments should be moderated so there is civility while encouraging constructive disagreement. Most frum news sites claim that is their policy as well, but I have regularly seen blatant and deceptive deviation from the claimed policy. I would urge you to struggle with the difficult task of authentically aligning your policy and practice.

    As difficult as that task can be, whistle-blowers need to be supported and protected if Diversified is to succeed in exposing those who desecrate God’s name, which is one of your stated goals.

    Just one final thought. I often think of Isaiah’s answer to the question of what God wants:

    A people laden with iniquity… Children that deal corruptly… To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto Me?… When ye come to appear before Me, Who hath required this at your hand, To trample My courts? Bring no more vain oblations; It is an offering of abomination unto Me; New moon and sabbath, the holding of convocations— I cannot endure iniquity along with the solemn assembly. Your new moons and your appointed seasons My soul hateth; They are a burden unto Me; I am weary to bear them… Your hands are full of blood. Wash you, make you clean, Put away the evil of your doings From before Mine eyes, Cease to do evil; Learn to do well; Seek justice, relieve the oppressed, Judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.

    If that is Diversified’s understanding and you consistently act on it, I wish you well, however much we may differ on specifics and tactics.

    See also: My Jewish Ethos

    • Thanks for the link. They really need to keep up the pressure. The Yeshiva apparently figures if they keep stalling and doing the usual stuff people will eventually lose interest. They have to be made realize that it won’t cut it anymore. (and that needs to be true)

      • If there are any blogs in Australia covering the intrigue, I would be glad to bring them to the attention of readers. Of course, Manny Waks has his own Website and regularly addresses a lot of this. See http://www.mannywaks.com/

        My weekly roundups will doubtlessly include more material from Manny and Australia. Seems like we have a long ways to go before Chabad cleans up its act in Australia.

        • I don’t understand the fascination Shmarya had with the sex abuse issues in Australia. His posts on it bordered on excessive and does not have any effect on the situation there. There are news outlets in that country who report on it and can make a difference but not FM.

          • The Australian case brought together his special dislike for Chabad, very articulate advocacy activity by Manny Waks, in-depth documentation by the Royal Commission, and many Australian news stories he could aggregate.

    • It’ll be interesting to see if they are even interested in the Australian situation anymore.
      Remembering what these people have posted, and their failure to post details of who they are or their mission statement, I wouldn’t hold out too much hope.

  3. Yes, my perek too. If only thospeaking in the name of HaShem woulturn to those places where He clearly elucidates what He (kavyachol) wants andoesn’t want from us.
    Yes, FM clearly is no more, (though MAK, I thought your comment was rather gruesome.) One wonders, (among other things,) why Shmarya wouldo ithis way. I mean, why notake the payoff, and shut down the site? Why drag everyone through this fiasco?

  4. Cruz is a member in good standing of a נוצרי philosophy called Dominionism, which mandates that all נוצרי heterosexual males take over every office of government, and make נצרות the national religion of America. Cruz is an extremist, fanatic, evangelical, apocalyptic nut case who should never have his finger anywhere near the ‘button.’ Do your own research on the subject.

  5. It often seems that invoking God as one of his (small h) or her supporters is a ploy used quite often on the far right of the political scale (I grant you, I live on the far left – so my perspective may be skewed) at at least one point during a political campaign. I am always reminded of Aaron Neville’s song “With God on Our Side” when I hear it…….

    Nice piece of satire!

  6. Well if FM does so opine – no one will be able to comment.

    Recently posted by the new owners……

    Please excuse the dust while we upgrade

    While we prepare a back office upgrade to the site, we are temporarily suspending comments until this update can be completed. It is expected to be finished later today (Wednesday 2/10). No comments will be lost or otherwise edited. All comments will be posted once the upgrade is complete.

  7. I just glanced at FM. They started posting again. It’s looking like a rehash of VIN. I’m never visiting that site again. Why give them hits on their counter.

      • They also posted an article about Olmert getting 30 days added to his sentence. So another theme will likely be the evils of secularism. Money talks and Shmarya walks.

    • Of course, if FM weren’t down, the takeover of FM would be just the sort of story FM would be all over. It’s obvious Shmarya upset someone enough that they took steps. Makes you wonder what he was onto.

      I hope existing sites (like this one) can take up the slack. If anyone wants to try starting a new one, I’m willing to help (but don’t look to me to do it).

      • Just to repeat what I have said, I will remain focused on sex abuse and not venture into all sorts of other problems. They also need coverage. But I am just one person and abuse is my priority.

  8. “I agree that comments should be moderated so there is civility while encouraging constructive disagreement.”

    I will respectfully disagree with the format of the “moderation.” I think comments should be posted first and removed second, IF THERE IS A PROBLEM. I heard you in the other thread where you said you ONCE had a problem with someone posting some private details. I would much prefer a discussion site that flows smoothly. Unless you have a staff, you can’t possibly devote continuous hours in a day to “moderate” comments one at a time.

    “Most frum news sites claim that is their policy as well, but I have regularly seen blatant and deceptive deviation from the claimed policy. I would urge you to struggle with the difficult task of authentically aligning your policy and practice.”

    Agreed, but it’s not looking good. As I have already commented this week on FM, the new owners are engaging in the same despicable practice of YWN in inserting their own words into the middle of comments.

    Further, on YWN, depending on the “moderator” many messages are rejected simply because he (there are supposedly no women moderators) does not agree with the views of the poster. One especially awful person doing this was known as Moderator-80.

    Also, further damaging to any site’s credibility is when certain users are granted carte blanche to violate any of the posted rules, attack others and post anything they want with no edits. On YWN, the most blatant of these goes by the screen name popa_bar_abba.

  9. Guys, I would like to post here a slightly modified form of a comment I made to one of my Facebook friends.

    Scott has claimed frustration or disappointment that his supporters weren’t more forthcoming monetarily – yet he did everything he could to drive all of us away. He refused to rein in the trolls, despite the fact that he was warned repeatedly, by others as well as myself.

    Meanwhile, those of you who were his supporters wanted community and are whining now that the blog is all but finished, but you didn’t want to pony up. At the same time, he could have told us he was going to be forced to sell if we didn’t step up to the plate – but he didn’t. In spite of this, many of you have taken a proprietary stance, threatening to leave if the new owners don’t reveal themselves or allow you to say whatever you want to without fear of censorship. Of course, until the blog went on “hiatus” the other day (and who knows if it will ever come back), you were all taking your sweet time in doing it: “I’ll leave… I mean it, I really will… any minute now… .”

    There are multiple ironies here. Scott talked a good game about freedom of speech and his opposition to censorship, yet would delete my comments because they crossed his arbitrary line while he allowed the trolls to say pretty much anything they pleased. I walked away a few times over it (foolishly returning), and not one of you said a word in protest or in my defense – but of course, now you’re complaining because the new people have moved that line and are deleting your comments. It’s childish and pathetic.

    As I said in my final comment there over a week ago, many of you have an unhealthy obsession with the malfeasances of the Orthodox world. You really need to get lives apart from that blog.

    • Agree with what you write, Jeff. Shmarya can gripe all he wants to about more support from his regulars, but the fact is he shat where he ate – constantly. Never expected him to agree with me 100% of the time, or leave my points of view unchallenged, but he was unabashedly nasty to me, to you to WSC, to………all the people that DID contribute to the site.

      You are further right that he could have easily found (or at least tried) a buyer that would have maintained the site and the mission – but I don’t think for a moment his ego could stand the fact that the site might live on without him – so he killed it. For money.

      I do disagree, however, with your characterization as to why people read his blog – while there are certainly a few who hate all things Orthodox and reveled in every bit of filth Shmarya exposed, I think the majority of readers simply wanted our Orthodox brethren to live up to and defend the standards they profess to hold at a higher level that those of us them deemed to be “inferior” in our practice of our faith. Can’t speak for all long time participants of the blog, but I made many, many friends – most of whom are very Orthodox – most of whom I disagree with politically and religiously.

      • Thank god, that you have not found many political soulmates for, if i’m not mistaken you wrote previously that you are on far left.
        otherwise, all the best,
        Cheers!

      • “I think the majority of readers simply wanted our Orthodox brethren to live up to and defend the standards they profess to hold at a higher level that those of us them deemed to be ‘inferior’ in our practice of our faith.”

        Agreed completely.

    • “Meanwhile, those of you who were his supporters wanted community and are whining now that the blog is all but finished, but you didn’t want to pony up.”

      Why would I? This is analogous to going to a bar where you like the crowd, or at least most of the crowd. Does that mean you have to contribute to the rent? FM could have re-tooled itself as a subscription site for even $1 a month.

      Neither I nor anyone else is responsible for FM’s lack of a viable business plan.

    • Not true. I said many words in your defense and called for you to return many times, as I do again now.

      The trolls were obviously vile, intellectually challenged and childishly ridiculous. No one took them seriously pursuant to their published posts. But you, Jeff, are a vast fund of knowledge and a great writer. Your meltdown language was taken seriously and more offensive therefore.

  10. Comments are open on FM again–but moderated. I posted asking them for their promised rules on what posts are permitted; I guess it’s sort of moot if posts are moderated though.

    • what disappoints me is that Shmarya must have known WHO he was selling to.
      He must have known that they would not continue and sold anyway.

        • YL, seems that you are in exact situation,,,,From what you’ve posted until now, there are things that you do know,,
          and perhaps not exact names, but you are, it seems, as well advised as SR, re future intentions of buyers,
          one quick major hit, v’dai they are gone?
          so charedi lovers or haters? but this is just a short side trip for them,

          again, for 200k, a fraction of a billion, which amount confused a previous commenter, they close him down, lachalutin.
          but for what matarah, if end game is closing it down, (my conjecture, but i do not have your sources) of course.

            1. I have no idea of the exact figure. But form what I can surmise I am guessing it is in the range of a few hundred thousand dollars.
            2. consider all the money the haredi world spends on polishing its image both to outsiders and with its own. Shmarya was a one-man wrecking crew. There is no expenditure on PR in response to him that could undo his harm to them that can match just buying him out.

            I am guessing that whatever they do re exposes is the cherry on the cake whose greatest value is ending his stream of critical articles.

        • Only from a legal standpoint, dh. When you claim high moral ground, as he often did, you then get scrutiny from a moral standpoint.

          What would FM have been without the comments? It would have had much less traffic and certainly lower ad revenues. The commenters made that happen and many of them would like more information.

          • Nope. He owed us nothing. Not legally and certainly not morally. In fact, he injected morality into the fetid morays of the ultras. What is immoral and needs scrutiny is why we didn’t so much as pay him the cost of a movie ticket for each week that we clicked on his site.

            As to his notable personality, he had a lot of social skills – all of them bad. And we loved it.

            • “What is immoral and needs scrutiny is why we didn’t so much as pay him the cost of a movie ticket for each week that we clicked on his site.”

              No, no and again, NO!

              I accept no responsibility whatsoever for the poor business model of Failed Messiah which appeared to be based on schnorring. If a website (e.g. wsj.com) wants money from me they let me know their subscription plans and if I’m interested, I pick one and pay them. The day the Wall Street Journal insults me or my friends on their pages, I will stop sending them money.

              Wikipedia frequently threatens to shut down if they don’t collect enough. I say go ahead.

              No one is throwing money at me no matter how much good I do. By the way, dh, have you ever volunteered for a day of pro bono? They give you nothing, no transportation, no lunch not even coffee.

            • Wikipedia does not threaten to shut down. It just reminds readers what it offers and asks for support. I happily to respond to their annual appeals. I get loads of value from them all year long.

            • “The day the Wall Street Journal insults me or my friends on their pages, I will stop sending them money.”

              Yes, but you don’t then keep reading the articles and commenting beneath them.

              In addition, there’s what YL told you, plus the fact that it just isn’t how blogging works.

              And if you are going to insist upon the rightness of your position, you don’t then get to take a high-handed tone with the new owners, demanding transparency and compliance with your ideas concerning censorship and freedom of speech. You can’t have it both ways.

              I once said that it was a commentary on the nature of the legal profession that the fancy Manhattan law firm hired by the Ramapo school board didn’t tell them, “You know, we’re going to have to charge you a lot of money for this. You’d be just as well-served by lawyers out your way, who would charge you less.” You told me it wasn’t the lawyers’ responsibility to tell them how to spend their money (which was really the taxpayers’ money, which was the reason I said it in the first place).

              You and I see the world VERY differently.

            • JEYGES,

              You claim I “told” you something yet I have no recollection of your screen name from Failed Messiah.

            • It’s me. WordPress keeps trying to use my other handle, and I forgot to change it back that time.

            • jeyges, jeff, et al,

              I’m not going to rehash FM comments here especially when they are taken out of context.

              The point here is when someone posts something online in a manner where it is open to the public FOR FREE, it is completely ethical, moral and legal for me to read it and pay nothing.

              One other thing, kindly do not attack my profession especially when we do not know what you do.

            • Well, this is a good example of what I was talking about earlier. Wigmore, you have issues.

              YL, I’m unsubscribing from this thread, and as I mentioned a few days ago, it ends my involvement with this blog. This is the reason I walked away from FM. I have better things to do than to argue with people who are obviously obsessed.

              Good luck with the crew you’ve taken on. I hope you don’t regret it, but I rather think you will.

            • Jeff, don’t leave because of Wiggles. I think he is a very elderly individual – not the trash of which you speak. I don’t think he wishes to inflame.

        • “. ..a very elderly individual. . .”

          DH, I see you are channeling your inner Shmarya, taking a low class pot shot at me based solely upon nothing and responding to nothing I said about you.

          Both you and Jeff can go to hell.

          • I’m sorry Wiggles. There is nothing wrong with being elderly and not meaning harm. I will look forward to seeing Jeff in Hell. Not crazy about running into my mother, but Jeff, that’s okay.

            Sorry

            • HAHA! I had never seen that. That was great, YL. (oy, look how young John Cleese was….)

            • dh,

              If we’re being rhetorical and incendiary, have you stopped beating your wife?

            • DH, I don’t understand your characterization of Wigmore (whom I have recently spent hours on the phone with) as “Wiggles” and that “he is a very elderly individual”. The things that Wigmore and I have talked about do involve FM, but they also involve what each of us is/are doing as lawyers- shop talk, if you will.

              Frankly, so many people misunderstand what he and I do as far as our occupations…..then again, I’m not going to go there.

              I for one, was devastated to see FM get sold. But life goes on.

  11. It was a sick, filthy blog. I am glad to see him gone. Stop turning him into a hero.

    With all your theories flying around about why he “sold-out” did you ever think that perhaps he regrets what he has done and is in the process of true teshuva…but doesn’t have the guts to say so….so he sells out to a group that he knows will close the blog which is what he really wants, makes some money, and does not have to lose face by closing the blog and stating the real reason which would be too much for all his “faithful” followers and haters of chareidim to bear?

      • Sorry, miss a few days, and? and regrets that I am inquiring about a fait accompli that “most”‘? know about?
        It is now known, b’vada’ut that they are closing it down,
        Sorry, hard to read everything, How do we know that, and since when???
        Might fit some of my theories but they were moderated out. I assume with good reason, YL.
        Did they post it over there? Last I looked, there were new articles.

        • Through a back channel, I have been told by the new owners (whose identities I don’t know), that within about a week they will do a real expose of some frum scandal. That is all I heard, and I have no way of being sure about any of it. We will see. While I am not encouraged by what I have seen so far, I am willing to consider the possibility that the sale was completed in haste before they were ready to operate. So it is plausible that what we have seen so far is not the end of the story.

          • Everyone place your bets,
            Mine is on Australian Chabad Mafia to shut SR down,
            again, i’ve written that although don’t remember if it was all moderated out,
            Are we taking bets? re this “new” REAL EXPOSE OF SOME FRUM SCANDAL?

            and if that is the general consensus, then new owners are not, by any means, intending to whitewash the fraud and corruption in ortho communities that SR was obsessed by,

            • One senses they are not invested in preserving their non-orthodox readership. I suspect they are hoping to be relying on those in the orthodox world who tracked scandals via FM and hoping to keep them by getting rid of the haredi-hate and offering sporadic “rotten-apple” stories while portraying them as the exception, and dilutig the impact of a few exposes with loads of feel good stuff.

    • I take it that by ‘sick and filthy’ you are referring to the paedophiles and criminals exposed?
      If not, you are simply an enabler of this filth.
      Congratulations

    • That may be your opinion.

      In my opinion, he shone sunlight onto all of the bugs hiding under the rocks.

      Scurry, scurry, scurry away you little hairydi bugs.

      Find somewhere else to hide (if you can).

      • Really, describing all haredim as vermin is bigoted. Some definitely are. There are general crticisms of the haredi system that can be made and I have made. But to call all haredim vermin is bigotry. I just want to serve notice that such bigotry is subject to deletion in the future.

  12. Calling any group ‘vermin’ is beyond the pale, let alone Jews who for whatever reason practice a form of Yiddishkeit different than one’s own. Villifying hundreds of thousands of devout fellow Jews for the acts of maybe a few hundred is something the Nazis did.. Assuming the person who did so is actually a Yid [which is hard to believe, unless the person is seriously mentally disturbed], we are dealing with a degree of self-hate that may be incurable.

    • I have already expressed my strong reaction to calling all members of any group, vermin. But I would also caution against ascribing “incurable self hate.” I suspect, you encounter similarly bigoted statements about the non-orthodox or non-Jews within the orthodox world without accusing them of incurable pathological bigotry.

      • ‘Vermin’ is a term used by the Nazis to describe Jews, and their classic cartoons depicted Jews as hook-nosed Jews with peyos and black hats. For a fellow Jew to describe any group as vermin is shocking. To do so in an open forum, accessible to everyone with internet access, is outrageous.
        To what level have we sunk?

        Child of a survivor

        PS: I have called out people I’ve encountered who have used derogatory terms to describe other groups. Sadly, some people who espouse such vile hatred MAY be incurable.

    • @5t resident,

      I see your point and I have never called chareidim or chasidim “vermin.”

      What do you think about those who call Jews like me “shaygetz” or “shiksa?” Those are words that mean much worse than “vermin.”

      • Wigmore,

        My understanding is that “shaygetz” and “shiksa” roughly do mean vermin, and if that “bugs” you [pun intended], it is completely understandable.

        Personal attacks, name calling, and the like are reflections on the writers, who apparently cannot argue on the merits.

        His’dar’deru ha’doros.

        Of course, such epithets are despicable.

        Our enemies number at least in the hundreds of millions, and we are busy shooting at each other.

        How crazy!

      • Wigmore, re terminology,
        I am for sure from a different non-charedi background,
        Nevertheless, i was always disturbed a bit my use of terminology by my parents, of shiksa, hey, strange, never heard shaygetz.
        My simple point being , that in the world that I grew up in, Shiksah was for sure not a compliment,
        but had more of an “not yenim” meaning,
        Not “one of us” for those who never heard the word “yenim” growing up. and, i don’t know yiddish,
        Haven’t heard the word in many decades,
        Shiksah was never used as negatively in my dor, as some here have experienced,
        FWIW,

  13. H and Beentheredonethat

    According to H, I am an enabler of pedophiles because I used sick and filthy to describe FM’s blog.You are very narrow minded to say the least. Pedophiles and real enablers are sick, filthy and deserve to be thrown in jail. The Orthodox community has done a very poor job in dealing with this issue. In some cases, it was ineptitude, in other cases negligence, and in others criminal. Unlike you and your kind, I am not throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Those who do so are immature. I believe in the G-D of our forefathers, the G-D who created the world, the G-D who took us out of Egypt and the G-D who gave us both the written and oral law at Sinai. If you do not believe that, then there is nothing to discuss, If you do, then G-D’s word is true, ALWAYS. If there are those who act in a manner that is not in accordance with the Torah, that is their issue and depending on the circumstance, a public issue that should be addressed by the community and its leaders. IF it hasn’t, that is wrong.

    FM’s blog did not simply address the issue. He was and probably still is a hater, a person who for whatever reason, has a big ax to grind. He was certainly not an impartial observer. He was hell-bent on destroying the Orthodox world. Those like the two of you who seem to be enamored with him must feel the same way. You are not lovers of Torah-true Judaism who simply want to make a change. You are angry bloggers, hiding behind anonymity, throwing poisonous darts, painting the entire community as evil and expressing a deep rage and obvious glee whenever another crime is exposed. As you expressed, “Scurry, scurry, scurry away you little hairydi bugs.” This is what I meant by sick and filthy. What a despicable way to talk about an entire community. These words can only be coming out of the mouth of a hater.

    If you would truly care, you would be sad, not happy, when another molester is exposed….sad that Torah-true Judaism is taking a beating because of the sins of a few and the inability of some leaders to take a stand. But you are happy! Happy that chareidism has taken another hit and hopeful that FM and his ilk will succeed in destroying Orthodoxy.

    You live in a dark world where instead of actually doing something positive, you sit in your rooms, spewing negativity on a blog. Think about how silly and immature that approach is. It can not make any sane person feel accomplished and positive about their contribution. FM may be your hero, but step out into the real world and see if you would enjoy spending even one minute of time with Rosenberg…a bitter person. You would probably avoid him like the plague. This great hero of yours couldn’t give a damn about you, that is for sure. Grow up – and either make a difference or shut up.

    • “sad that Torah-true Judaism is taking a beating because of the sins of a few and the inability of some leaders to take a stand”. A few “minor” corrections, which undermine your whole comment:
      1. ALL Judaism takes a hit, not just “Torah-true”, that’s what the non-religious Jewish community in Melbourne have realised, especially since the Royal Commission;
      2. what FM exposed regularly were hardly the sins of “a few”; at the very least, protecting criminals the community wants to protect, not complying with the laws of the land in general, & rorting the system have all become art forms within large sections of UO;
      3. “SOME leaders”: you must be kidding.
      Dream on…

      • . what FM exposed regularly were hardly the sins of “a few”; at the very least, protecting criminals the community wants to protect, not complying with the laws of the land in general, & rorting the system have all become art forms within large sections of UO;
        3. “SOME leaders”: you must be kidding.
        Dream on…

        People involved in this very serious issue tend to see everything in black and white. I do understand and I am vaguely familiar with your case which is a terrible, terrible travesty. However, I stand by my position that it is still the sins of a few. Unfortunately, the sins of the few are terrible sins and have affected/destroyed many innocent souls, but the vast majority of frum/chareidim are good people. and yes it is SOME leaders. Again, the SOME have caused a heck of alot of damage but I stand by what I said.

    • “Torah-True Judaism” – probably no more ridiculous phrase in all of Jewish history, with the exception of “self-hating Jew”.

            • I can’t talk to you. You’re obviously a kofer.

              BTW, YL, I must say I’m impressed with the speed with which you move comments out of moderation. A lot of bloggers allow comments to languish in moderation for days. Some never check the buffer.

          • More interesting to me, is that a chasidish world that insists on not deviating from its costumes has been on a fashion binge toward taller and taller streimels. The first satmar Rebbes streimel’s fur was about 8″ high (seen it with my own eyes). Now the two feuding brothers have fur about 20″ high. Why trust them on any other claims about dressing to preserve their customs.

            • They have no idea of how ridiculous they appear to the outside world. Of course, I imagine they wouldn’t care if they did.

            • Height of streimels should be viewed psychoanalytically as symbolic compensation/competition for the makom hamahul. No matter how “hard” they try, anyway, in a closed insular society, they have no experienced…feedback.

            • Belsky YSZ, even after confessions, claimed that the Kolkos were innocent,
              This is OU, a leading light for torah Jews re creepy crawleys? They are all OCD and have no idea what godliness is about; they think it’s about stupid bugs. Thanks for any enlightenment.

            • Yisroel Belsky wore many hats. One of them was senior posek for OU Kosher. Indeed he did heavy lifting in defending a number of known molesters and tormented those who supported their victims.

            • These are the kind of questions that keep me up. They were not Shmarya’s forte, because his chabad exposure only taught him about velvet kippot and fedoras. The new owners, I am guessing are Yeshivish. We can expect them to at least cover key vendors to the Yeshivish world like Borsalino.

        • wrong. torah-true means those observe the torah. Where is the implication in my statement that I am insulting MO? Nowhere…unless you are paranoid and looking to find the insult that I MUST be hurling at the MO so that you can show me to be another close-minded right winger. that is a severe bias.

          By observing the Torah, I also mean believing in the ikkarim. anyone to the right of the disgraceful chovavei torah is a torah-true Jew

          • That may be how you want to use “Torah True.” But there is a history to the term. In the 50s and 60s, ultra orthodox referred to the yeshivish and chasidish world to the right of Modern orthodoxy. these groups disliked the term because they felt it implied that were excessive or extreme and instead began favoring the term “Torah True.” Over time, Haredi has supplanted Torah True. But from the inception of its use, it was associated with Agudah and onsidered different from the YU/MO/Young Israel world. (however, YI has shifted over time and that is a whole different story).

          • Frankly I am offended by multiple comments of Jackson, You’ve gotten soft in your old age, YL?
            How many warnings?
            I am not FF Vaad Hatsniut or Vaad human decency,
            but keep the Jacksons on, and you will lose your long term loyal followers. Give them an inch, they take a mile, When are were will you draw the line,
            Jackson is an example of FM, the ugliness over there, uncurbed,

            • Chashdan’s comments about the size of the shtreimel are vulgar and using “Belsky yimach shmo v’zichro” is in my view beyond the pale. Must we use language reserved for Haman and Hitler to describe rabbonim who we feel were deeply flawed? Such comments reflect extremely poorly on Chashdan and I wonder why YL does not call him on this.

    • If I do live in a dark world (which incidentally I don’t), it’s because I come from your background.
      ‘Great Hero’ etc…you don’t like to dramatize things much do you?
      I live in the real world – with real people – not some over-extended cult.
      Get a life you sad little man.

        • YL, you probably saw some of my more vitriolic comments on FM. You need have no fear about my posting similar comments here, because I have no intention of sticking around. FM was the last Jewish blog on which I participated, and Scott cured me of Jewish blogging once and for all, largely by refusing to rein in the legion of psychopaths who were drawn to him like the proverbial moths to a flame. I understand you don’t intend to put up with the kind of nonsense he did, but I’m done.

          I will, however, say this: as long as frum people are involved, people will be posting comments that you will feel you have to delete. Either they will post such comments themselves, or their arrogance and condescension – e.g. “disgraceful chovavei torah”, etc. – will elicit the kind of response with which you will be uncomfortable.

            • We’ll see what happens if you get discovered by the trolls who haunted FM (I don’t want to mention their names for fear of summoning them 🙂 ). Hopefully, you’ll be spared.

      • Of the nine items they copied and pasted from other sites today, six are from A7. The other three are a Flatbush community alert, a nearly 5 year-old article about Jewish school costs, and an article plagiarized from Yahoo Parenting that has nothing to do with Jews. Previous days show a similar leaning toward stories lifted from A7 (israelnationalnews).

        • Thank you for that breakdown. So you may be onto something. I am not sure if it is an ideological choice or just one of convenience. Time will tell. My hunch is that the sourcing is not an ideological one because that would be atypical of American Yeshivish types. If it was ideological support for the Arutz Sheva position there are loads of specific items they could have picked up.

          • I think it is ideological. Not from a pro-settler position (which they may have), but more in the sense that they consider it a “kosher” news service from which they can safely copy news as filler for their blog. Sourcing stories takes time. And from the reader’s side, it appears they are putting little to no time into the web site. So A7 may be serving them as a lazy bloggers kosher news source.

            • Sounds about right. still, we will need to see a month or a few to really be sure of their game. I am not optimistic but will keep an open mind to see if they break out of the current pablum.

  14. FM is now censoring comments. I commented on the 5 year old story noting that it was old. I commented on the deadbeat dad story that it had nothing to do with Jews. Neither comment was approved.
    The site is dead.

  15. Sorry Mr. Waks,

    You misunderstood me. Of course all Judaism takes a hit. We are one. However, torah-true judaism takes the biggest hit simply because it claims to and does represent authentic yiddishkeit. By Torah-true judaism, I mean anyone to the right of Chovevei torah. And the communities that are the most insular and project an image of being outside the realm of issues facing secular society/more holy take the biggest hita of everyone simply because of the letdown of expectations versus reality.

  16. Jeff says They have no idea of how ridiculous they appear to the outside world. Of course, I imagine they wouldn’t care if they did.

    I am no chosid, but you are correct, they wouldn’t care.
    Why do they have to care what the “outside world” thinks? Are they committing a crime? or are you just so uncomfortable with your judaism that you are terrified that the outside world will not like you? What weakness! Admire them for their ability not to be concerned with what other think of them for what they wear.

    Instead you mock them because you are so insecure.

    Unreal!

    • More mischeif than good results from ascribing disagreements to pathology. It is also the cheap trick of ad hominem attacks on the person rather than the content of the statement. and from there things just spiral down into a mosh pit. Please, to all parties. I want very vigorous debate about substance. to protect that I will delete comments that contribute more nasty heat than cold logic. I watched the tone of the FM comments degenerate. It was once a wonderful rich collection and by the end I could almost never get myself to look because the ratio of flung mud (and worse) to worthwhile reading was terrible. I will do whatever I have to, to avoid the same on frum follies. Gals and guys, you are all grownups who know how to do better when you care about ongoing relationships.

  17. Jackson–“Are they committing a crime?”
    You are looking at it the wrong way dressing like clowns in a civilized society is ludicrous, the hassidim are making a mockery out of themselfs they are the laughting stock of nonjews just like the muslims are who dress in burkas or like in saudi arabia when in rome you do as the romans do it is a no brainer the whole of the jewish religion looks to non jews as a big joke the long payes in an advanced society is a mockery of that society in which they live.

    • The enlarged Beit Din whitewashed the staff and they are all still in place. There is no definitive evidence that Meisels totally divested his financial interest so he probably still has some connection. Some shuls in his neighborhood, Har Nof, deny him aliyot but the bulk of his Haredi neighbors think he did nothing as bad as was alleged. Touro denies his schools accreditation but not Excelsior. R. Brudny, who presided over the krum joint Beit Din which did the whitewash, is now being touted in Haredi circles as the great new expert and fighter against abuse. The civil lawsuit against Meisels for rape and attempted rape continues with Meisels spending a fortune in legal fees to slow down the process.

      Oh, and oddly, I have heard but not confirmed that Meisels has taken Israeli citizenship. Most Haredim avoid this because it opens up their children to Israeli draft obligations.

      • I hope he loses it all in civil suits. Do you think the Israel citizen move is to have extra layers of delay maneuvers for the civil case and for any potential criminal cases?

        • I don’t see how. israel no longer blocks extradition. I have not been able to come up with motive unless he knows that he and his wife will not have any more children. Alteratively there are economic benefits to being a “new immigrant.” You get to import all sorts of vehicles and appliances duty free. Israeli import tariffs are otherwise VERY steep. Knowing that he already has all those things, he could import them all and sell them for a hefty fee. Illegal, but that would not inhibit him.

          • Many new olim chadashim end up eventually leaving, (giving up?) and sell all belongings,
            the Amana refrigerator, subaru car, etc,
            police state or not, no one cares or checks,
            Of course , he could not do it a second time, somehow i doubt that that is motivating factor, bwdik,

  18. Janish its not the hight of the streimel, the real score of who is a bigger tzadig heiliger rebbi of hassidem is whoever has a bigger tuches

  19. Is this where all the malcontents hang out now? Missed you guys. Shmarya had banned me a couple of years back lol.

    • OMgosh! I remember you! I always thought that pic of the blond guy was really you!! I was not very social media savvy….

  20. I have deleted some comments that are inflammatory, bigoted, and contemptuous to whole groups. If you are offended by the comments of others, state that and why. Don’t counter with equally bigoted insults. I have no intention of allowing a site devoted to fighting sex abuse to be converted into a food fight. My efforts are helped by Haredim, atheists and others between.

    I confess an agenda, fighting sex abuse. I will not waste my time finessing antics which you would not indulge with, if dealing with real people you needed to work with.

    Occasionally, I will make some exceptions because along with the obnoxious there is content of real value or issues that need to be aired.

    If you are offended by anything, by all means call it out. But don’t engage in obnoxious escalation.

    Even if you feel no respect for your opponents, at least respect the mission of this site.

    With apologies to Hillel, “Don’t be jerks; all of the rest is commentary.”

  21. YL

    you state: I have deleted some comments that are inflammatory, bigoted, and contemptuous to whole groups

    So you censor out at least 5 of my comments that did not fit the above criteria, but allow in the disgusting x-rated comment below:

    chashdan
    02/18/2016 AT 12:10 AM
    Height of streimels should be viewed psychoanalytically as symbolic compensation/competition for the makom hamahul. No matter how “hard” they try, anyway, in a closed insular society, they have no experienced…feedback.

    and this disgusting comment that I am sure Hitler would have printed in Mein Kampf.

    jancsibacsi
    02/18/2016 AT 11:26 AM
    The height of their shtreimels=the height of their insanity

    Looks like it is the atheists that you mention who are most important to you. At least, your readers now fully understand who you are.

    • I agree they crossed a line and I will be cutting out more of those in the future. I also allowed some pretty offensive stuff from the other side. Re streimels it was specific to the feuding Satmar Rebbes and their’s is definitely an alpha male game so not so general to all and not off target.

      Stop the stupid analogies to Mein Kampf. Nobody on either side gets to play the Nazi card here. You are one of the very few people whose comments I deleted because you are a one person fuel fire and you pump it out indiscriminately and in volume. I have let through quite a bit of your offensive stuff over the years. And I have spent quite a bit of time discussing the issues with you in private, as I am sure you recall. To you and other over-the-top commenters on both sides, I am done with wasting my time on such negotiations or editing.

      If you ever again resort to the nazi trope, I will ban you. Jews don’t do that no matter how otherwise obnoxious you are. If you can’t see it, dialoging is hopeless.

  22. Is what I understand about the sale of “Failed Messiah” wrong? Here’s how I understand it. Some wealthy hareidi bigwigs saw the “damage” that Shmarya’s “Failed Messiah” was doing to their world, so they flashed > $100,000 in Shmarya’s face. Since Shmarya’s full time occupation was “Failed Messiah”, the huge sum of money that was offered to him for “Failed Messiah” was too much of a temptation for him to resist. He then sold it to these rich hareidim and, in my humble opinion, sold out the truth…. I hope that my assessment of the situation is wrong, but I guess we’ll never know.

    • He spawned all of us. The only thing we don’t have is his connections and they can easily find us, as did we all.

      We sold out Shmarya (and ourselves) by failing to keep him going.

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