Rosenbaum Yeshiva of North Jersey Announces Dismissal of R. Shlomo Hyman for “Unacceptable” Conduct

{UPDATE (5/23/19)- See https://frumfollies.wordpress.com/2019/05/23/englewoods-ahavath-torah-announces-suspension-and-further-inquiry-about-r-shlomo-hyman/}

An email (see full text below) was sent on Wednesday (5/15/19) to the parents of a large Bergen County k-8 modern orthodox school, the Rosenbaum Yeshiva of North Jersey. It reports the dismissal of  Rabbi Shlomo Hyman for unacceptable conduct without any specifics. Based on reports from my sources, it involved sexual misconduct with girls.

Hyman was a 2nd grade teacher of boys and a 5th grade teacher of girls who had been at RYNJ since 1988. It is not clear if his misconduct involved children in his own class, in other classes where he occasionally taught, or from contact involving non-class activities.  Since this letter only references his school conduct, it provides no clues about possible misconduct in other arenas.

Hyman is also the Youth Director at the largest orthodox synagogue in Englewood, NJ, Ahavath Torah. Here you can see his bio on their site. I was surprised to still see it up as of 11:00 a.m. today (5/17/19) when I took this screenshot.

Screenshot Shlomo Hymans screen shot at Ahavath Torah Englewood Youth Director 2019-05-17 at 11.19.02

Shlomo Hyman

 

 

Dear Parents,
I am writing to let you know that Rabbi Shlomo Hyman, who has been on leave, will not be returning to RYNJ.
In late February, the leadership of the Yeshiva received information that warranted placing Rabbi Hyman on leave. At the same time, the Yeshiva also retained Arnold & Porter, a highly regarded national law firm to conduct an independent investigation. As a result of that process, it was determined that Rabbi Hyman’s conduct had been neither acceptable nor consistent with how a rebbe in our Yeshiva should interact with students. In consultation with counsel and halachic advisors, the leadership of the Yeshiva has terminated his employment and has determined that no further action is necessary at this time. We are confident that this course of action is the right one for the school and its students.
Tomorrow, the students in Rabbi Hyman’s classes will be notified that he will not be returning. I am sure that their current teachers will continue to guide them successfully through the remainder of the year. As always, our guidance staff is available to you and your children as needed.
I understand that this does not address every question you may have. However, given the sensitive nature of this situation, and the advice we have received from legal and halachic authorities, this is all the information that we can share at this time.
Thank you for your patience, support and understanding,
Rabbi Daniel Price
Head of School
RYNJ, 666 Kinderkamack Rd, River Edge, NJ 07661
Sent by xxxx@rynj.org

CORRECTION (5/24/19)- The original article was corrected to note that he taught 2nd grade boys in addition to the 5th grade girls that was part of the original posting. Hat Tip to Micha Berger for pointing it out.

170 thoughts on “Rosenbaum Yeshiva of North Jersey Announces Dismissal of R. Shlomo Hyman for “Unacceptable” Conduct

  1. He was the teacher of all my grandchildren….and my daughter wants to know if it was sexual why the police weren’t called in. It’s not like this never happened before. Why did they NOT call the police… and the kids are heartbroken … this was his 30th year… it could have been Biden behavior…just touchy feely. Be careful. My granddaughter has not been able to stop crying from sadness…. They have involved police in such cases before. They did not do that here. He was their best teacher. And his daughter is begging people to stop the loshen hora. My daughter is not defending those who really deserve to be jailed and punished, but she thinks something here is a bit off.

    • Rest assured the yeshiva wouldn’t fire him (AND ANNOUNCE IT) if it wasn’t serious misconduct. But they are operating with the help of lawyers to minimize the scandal by not providing details. Notice they did not say there was nothing to report to the police. Just that they are not obliged to report it. Unfortunately there is a large gray zone about what you HAVE to report.

      BTW, while many MO laity may have relaxed definitions of prohibited negiah, this is the most right wing of the MO schools in Bergen and assuredly they advocate more stringent standards of negiah, especially for their rabbinical staff. In such a context, shoulder touching etc suggests either grooming of individual students or normalizing their conduct being atypical to make it harder for staff to notice.

      • Rest Assured? I don’t think that is what happened here……….I think they jumped the Gun……….unless you have more facts than I do, I believe you are doing harm to an innocent individual here.

      • Who’s your source you mention in your intro to the email. It standard procedure to bring in legal advisors when you are firing someone so that you cover your bases in case they wanna bring a case against you.

        On an unrelated note am very curios do you have it out against Rabbi because one touched when you where younger, Or b
        ecause you think someone should bring to light how people in power are taking advantage of it

      • Not to say that when a person in power abuses his or her power we shouldn’t bring it to light, But jumping to sexual miss conduct when there are no facts is just wrong. No where in the email does it mention it. The reason any company brings in lawyers is to make sure that the person you are firing has no recourse against you or your institution. Who are your so called sources that say it was sexual miss conduct? How do you know it wasn’t the way he conducted himself with other staff? If it was sexual miss conduct why has no one stepped forward in his 30 + year carrier? This are basic questions we should ask before jumping the gun a dragging someone through the mud.

    • I wish the Yeshiva had been more explicit, but the tendency of schools is to report the least amount they can get away with, without having parents furious about not being told. But they don’t concern themselves with the fact that this superficial reporting makes it too easy for the offending staff member to promote claims of unfair firing.

      • Do you even know what he was accused of? Shouldn’t you be concerned with Loshon Harah, or Motzi Shem Rah?

    • It may not have involved minor children. To say, he was having a relationship with a woman or previous student over 18, which didn’t meet their morality clauses in his employment contact, but wasn’t illegal either.

      • Are you someone who thinks before posting something or just an idiot. You are spreading vicious and disgusting rumors which have no basis behind them. This is a man’s life you are destroying with those claims and I would think you would be a little afraid of the punishment you could be bringing on yourself. If you have any doubts, remember the words “mida keneged mida”

        • Well, that’s between me and g-d. I can sleep soundly at night, what about you?
          I have no idea who he is. I was just replying to people who said “if he is so guilty why aren’t the police involved?”. My response is that he may have done something contractually wrong without it being illegal.

          • Than they should say what he did. And give him an opportunity to rebut it. And defend himself. This is a man who’s spent his entire life building a reputation that till now not a single person has questioned. Not one. Literally thousands of people and kids he’s come across. Not one issue. If they don’t want him to work there anymore that’s their prerogative. But to send this obscure and vague letter simply isn’t right.

            • This is false. As a student of his 5th grade mishnayos class around 20 years ago, I can say with certainty girls in my class complained about feeling uncomfortable by “Rebbe”. I personally remember not wanting to invite him to my bas mitzvah as I felt weirded out by him and did not want him at my simcha yet my parents told me I should have him as I had invited all of my teachers. It is so beyond unfortunate that voices were not heard the same way then as they are now. Kol Hakavod to RYNJ for finally taking the issue at hand seriously.

            • The very vast majority feel
              Otherwise. Not to mention making someone feel “weirded out” isn’t grounds for ruining someone’s life

            • Depends on whether he is just someone cross-eyed or whether he is staring at girls’ chests in ways that are obviously sexual. Would you want someone like that staring at your daughter that way. There are things that are not criminal that are not appropriate for any teacher let alone a teacher in a frum school.

              One person can perceived things wrongly. But if a whole class of girls thinks that way, they are likely on to something.

            • There is something important that separates males and females. Females, even young teen or pre-teen girls are regularly subjected to inappropriate sexualized staring and develop a pretty good sense of when that is happening. It is hard to protest without proof and with people like you being dismissive of their perceptions. In any event it is not a criminal charge. But then neither is adultery. However it is totally out of bounds for a rabbi holding a yeshiva teaching job.

            • Disclose it. Be transparent. And let other schools, shuls, whoever make their own decisions. Don’t write vague letters that suggest something far worse than someone getting “weirded out”. Why is that so hard to understand??

            • What made you uncomfortable? Did it have anything to do with something he did? If not then be very careful with your characterizations. I personally know literally hundreds of children that were his students including my own sibling. Not to mention equal number of boys that he taught for bar mitzvah and even more that had him as a youth director. I don’t live in a community where children or parents keep teacher misbehavior to themselves, and I’ve not once in 25+ years heard even the slightest negative word about Rabbi Hyman. He definitely has an affect about him but that doesn’t equate or translate into the insanely slanderous things that are being thrown around…and without one ounce of credible fact or detail. Assassinating someone’s character based on agenda or innuendo is the crime here.

            • Way to try to intimidate.

              What’s this with the myth that no MO”s cover up abuse or the kids always tell the parents. Wake up and smell the coffee. Most children in most communities, Jewish or otherwise, never tell anyone else.

              You keep using the words slanderous as an assumption. But if the Yeshiva decision was right than there is no slander. So chill and stay open to hear different voices instead of trying to intimidate so you can confirm your preconceived opinions.

          • I sleep well knowing I’m not putting ideas into people’s heads. Unless you know he did something “contractually wrong”, don’t speculate. People don’t use their heads as it is. They don’t need someone filling their heads with what if’s.

    • I am making no comment on the guy, though I trust YL. But “He was their best teacher” is highly misleading to those unfamiliar with grooming etc; David Kramer, who served jail time in the USA & Australia was the best & most popular teacher at the time, among both parents & students, in Yeshivah Centre, Melbourne, Australia. It is not a sign of innocence at all, often quite the reverse…

      • I think that the school might have been wrong in this situation and they erred on the side of caution. They are destroying a Very good individual, and from what I understand is an incident over Twenty Years old, and not even an incident…….

        • You write, “from what I understand is an incident over Twenty Years old.” Make up your mind do we not know of anything or do we know of something? And did you speak to the complainant or heard it third hand from someone trying to minimize the report? And BTW, the gaslighting of the complainants is also loshon horah or more likely motzi shem rah. Why are there no complaints about that? Double standard!

    • I went to YU with the guy but didn’t peg him for something like this. In the case of mr sauna rosenblatt, Langer and Mordechai winiarz – I knew these guys were creeps the second I looked them in the eyes.

      Saying that what guy wants to spend his life teaching 5th grade girls and running a younger than youth minyan for 30 years.

      The yeshiva should have women teachers for girls / end of discussion.

      • A true Tzaadik. If what you are saying is true, no teacher would spend much time teaching younger kids for more than a few years. He knows if you teach them properly at a young age, you have a better chance of keeping them orthodox when they get older. And I’m sure he feels good in his heart when he sees his youth minyan children able to Daven and Lain because of his inspiration and teachings.

  2. This is motzei shemra. Your blog promoted and spreads false knowledge. Even if it was true it would be loshon hara. By posting this you are not only damaging Rabbi Hyman’s good name by spreading slander but you are destroying his family. I urge you to take down this post.

    • You say “Even if it was true it would be loshon hara.” But there is an exception to the prohibition on loshon hara for toeles, a purpose such as protecting others from harm.

      You speak about his family. Do you think victims have no families or that victims matter less than his family. When there is wrongdoing, the implications for his family are not their fault. And shame on those who would hold it against his family. I certainly don’t.

      • Bret Kavanaugh…………Was Also Falsely Accused……..Was Dragged Through The Mud……….Is that Fair?

    • To Leah Cohen and all others who comment like this…open up your eyes and actually SEE the emes. Comments like “this is motzei shem ra” and other silly comments like that, are ignorant and hurtful to the victims who never wanted to become a victim, they simply wanted to tell the truth so that other children will be safe! What greater mitzvah is that?!
      Yerachmiel doesn’t lie, he never would. He’s an advocate for the innocent who become victims because of people like you. Yerachmiel helped my family personally when Bodkins from North Miami Beach was accused of horrible things that was reported by my family member. Innocently, we thought we’d get community support. No, that didn’t happen. Over night we became victims and worse, we were re-victimized by the community with so much hate, embarrassment and more from those who decided to protect and cover up for a molester. To 18 rabbis who never spoke to the victim and yet put out a kol koreh basically saying that my family were to be shunned. Why? Why did they do this? It never ceases to boggle my mind. What is it? Do people cover up for the “saintly rabbi” because they’re afraid they might be next? Ignorant and mean people will never know the catastrophe, the collateral damage they caused. I wouldn’t wish this on anyone. So do your homework and it would be best for you and the others to just zip your mouths. That would be the right thing to do. To all who cover up and to those who protect the “Rabbi’s” open your eyes. It’s sad so sad.

      • After all we now know, that these opinions are still around, like “but he’s such a nice guy” etc: “It’s sad so sad”, as you say.

    • Please. I did not originate the report. I accurately reproduced a letter sent to every parent in a yeshiva of over a thousand kids. It stops being loshon horah once it is already known. If R. Hyman’s name has been ruined it is not by me but by YNJ. If he was fired for reasons unrelated to sexual inapropriateness, they are to blame for the insinuation. OTOH, if indeed it was sexual in nature, then they are hurting the community by not being clear enough to end the debate about their firing basis and better equipping the community to know how to respond.

      I agree. The Yeshiva did a truly terrible job of communicating.

  3. Yerachmiel, I wonder if other Yeshivas will know not to hire him. I know that it’s out there, but what and who’s to stop him from working with kids in another Yeshiva. I’m also surprised that his bio is still up on the Shul’s website.

    • Do you know the man or the situation? You are judging someone based on what? It could be one persons recollections of something that in today’s world is blown out of proportion, or it could be something more but you and others have no way of knowing and are condemning a person without the facts. i worked with Rabbi Hyman for over twenty years and never witnessed unacceptable behavior or ever heard a bad word against him. I still believe in innocent until proven guilty, but you have already judged andcondemned him.

    • Aviva, going through life believing what others say, without obtaining evidence and proof, is a surefire way to failure. I’m proud to see the shul has kept him on and hopefully they will do their own investigating into this matter and decide on their own whether he was rightfully terminated or wrongfully accused and sentenced. Unless you can show absolute and positive proof on this site that he has done something to warrant what happened to him, stop promoting hate and wishing for this man to lose everything he’s worked hard for, including his reputation. Not one shred of evidence has been shown and no law enforcement agency has been asked to investigate this incident. Therefore it appears that it is only YNJ’s rules that have been broken, and thankfully YNJ does not make the rules for all the Jewish people. They are a city onto themselves and as long as they don’t do damage to others, I couldn’t care less if they stay that way.

      • David, regarding your advice of “going through life believing what others say, without obtaining evidence and proof, is a surefire way to failure.” First, thank you so much for letting me know that. Victims who are the recipients of sexual crimes that (usually) committed by the pied piper rabbi, are the very people who are not given the chance to give evidence and proof that they – the victims, are in fact correct! Instead they and their families are declared crazy and bashed by communities, people (like you) and rabbis who cover it up creating a deeper pain that I don’t wish on anyone. When it comes to this don’t tell me that my actions are a surefire way to FAILURE! How dare you say that to me or to any person?
        Being that you don’t know me, let me introduce myself to you. My name is Aviva Skurowitz, and about 8 years ago a family member of mine reported “RABBI” BODKINS FROM NORTH MIAMI BEACH. Why? Because bodkins; the pied piper and the “best rebbe in the world, who is so friendly and everyone loves, etc.” is a predator, and who was his choice? Sweet and innocent boys. My family member who reported him wanted to make sure that other young boys were safe from this sicko and that he’d be OUT of the classroom permanently. In fact, due to the fact that bodkins was reported, he can no longer teach. There were 4 recorded victims who reported bodkins. Understandably, the others backed off when they saw re victimization via all forms that was happening us. This is bc they had to protect and cover up the pied piper rabbi. I mean they had to do that bc after all perhaps they would be the next to be accused “falsely”. They made our lives a living hell and worse, to protect themselves as well. They made up flat out lies about my family member and us. They said, “oh he is known to be unstable, crazy and a liar” SOUND FAMILIAR? We naively and foolishly thought the communities, the rabbis would support us…guess what, they didn’t. They did not ask questions to find out evidence, proof, etc. as you said I should do. Instead the communities bashed our family. We were all victims and we were ostracized; a common theme that occurs to victims who report the pied piper rebbe. These ppl do not know the damage that is done to victims and their families!! Do they know the suicide rate, OTD, divorce rate because of THEIR disgusting victimization and lies?
        Have some empathy before judging and saying derogatory words; because you never know if a victim is reading it. Before assuming things and being judgmental, ask the victim and family their side of the story, and don’t assume that you have all sides of a story CLEARLY, do you? Otherwise you and others will be, “going through life believing what others say, without obtaining evidence and proof is a surefire way to failure.”

        • I know Aviva Greenfield Skurowitz for over 5 years and can confirm the truth of all her statements here. I blogged about that case several times and my postings might be worth reading for considering the Hyman situation. In both cases the truth about Bodkins being a molester took some time to come out and I demonstrate it with some documentary evidence

          https://frumfollies.wordpress.com/2014/08/29/rabbi-avrohom-chaim-levins-close-call-with-justice/

          https://frumfollies.wordpress.com/2015/08/13/four-victims-of-yisroel-bodkins-were-known-according-to-rabbi-ronnie-greewald/

          • Yerachmiel, thank you for all that you did to help our family. As I read over your posts (that you shared the link to above), I again realize the tremendous help that you afforded us, the nonstop support that you gave to all of us with your detailed and very well researched posts. It was THE impact that made the difference in our story. And you were never hasty to report things that you knew to be true and that would help us. You waited patiently and professionally, holding back details that you knew about and that would benefit my family, until you knew that it was the right time post it. That was most likely a difficult thing to do especially when you read the posts from people that were so not true. So, I thank you for the help, sensitivity to us and for your professionalism in reporting.

            • Thank you. I am glad to have helped. Your family was braver than most in exposing a dangerous man, and you faced down horrendous abuse in the process. I merely documented and reported. You guys deserve the credit.

      • David, regarding your advice of “going through life believing what others say, without obtaining evidence and proof, is a surefire way to failure.” First, thank you so much for letting me know that. Victims who are the recipients of sexual crimes that is (usually) committed by the pied piper rabbi, are the very people who are not given the chance to give evidence and proof that they – the victims – are in fact correct! Instead they and their families are declared crazy and bashed by communities, people (like you) and rabbis who cover it up and will always create deeper pain that I don’t wish on anyone. When it comes to this don’t tell me that my actions are a surefire way to FAILURE! How dare you say that to me or to any person? Being that you don’t know me, let me introduce myself to you. My name is Aviva Skurowitz, and about 8 years ago a family member of mine reported “RABBI” BODKINS FROM NORTH MIAMI BEACH as a sexual predator. Why? Because bodkins; the pied piper and the “best rebbe in the world, who is so friendly, who would never do anything to harm a child and who everyone loves, etc.” is a predator, and what was his choice his desire? Sweet and innocent boys. My family member who reported him wanted to make sure that other young boys were safe from this sicko and that he’d be OUT of the classroom permanently. In fact, because bodkins was reported, he can no longer teach. There were 4 recorded victims who reported bodkins. Understandably, they backed off when they saw the re victimization in all forms that was being done to us. And so, we stood alone.
        The communities and rabbis felt that they HAD to protect and cover up the pied piper rabbi. I mean they had to do that bc after all perhaps they would be the next to be accused “falsely”. They made our lives a living hell and worse to protect bodkins and themselves as well. We naively and foolishly believed that the communities, the rabbis would support us…guess what, they didn’t. They did not ask questions to find evidence, proof, etc. as you said I should do. Instead the communities bashed our family. We were all victims and we were ostracized; a common theme that occurs to victims who report the pied piper rebbe. These ppl do not know the damage that is done to victims and their families!! So, don’t assume that you know all sides of this heinous crime CLEARLY. Did you and others on this feed speak to the victim(s) to hear their story? Being that you and the others “know this gem of a man for 30 years and never have you heard anyone say anything bad about him, he would never do that…” You know what? These predators use their power to do horrible things to innocent people. They are very coy and careful with whom and how they will groom and then shame a person into victim hood.
        Have some empathy before judging and saying derogatory words; because you never know if a victim is reading it. Before assuming things and judging, ask the victims and their families their side of the story. Otherwise you and others will be, “going through life believing what others say, without obtaining evidence and proof which will be a surefire way to failure.”

  4. First, the school let go of a number three longstanding (30+ years) rabbeim recently. Not to mention the number of the old guard let go in the last year, the year before. R’ Price’s tenure has been marked by this bringing in new blood and letting go of the past. So it is not so clear that they weren’t going to be firing him anyway.

    It is also suspicious that if the school really had something serious on R Hyman, that they wouldn’t be taking all the steps necessary to remove their own legal exposure.

    Meanwhile, a number of Teaneck’s rabbis are unconvinced, despite being more tied to his students (their congregants’ kids) than to the accused (who lives in Englewood). There is action being planned against the school.

    So, a bit early to side with Price over Hyman. You are jumping the gun.

    • You say they let go other teachers in recent years (by which I assume you mean they did not renew their contracts). If so, they could have done that with R. Hyman. So why didn’t they? Even if they had to keep paying him at this point it is so close to the end of the year it would not be a big financial thing for a school with more than a thousand kids. They need this fuss like a hole in their head. Something here was different, something that led them to hire an outside firm to evaluate information. Why doesn’t that at least lead you to see a red flag?

      I agree they should have said more in their letter. But the fact that they fired other teachers without any letters suggests there was something that made his case different.

      • They let go of many other long-tenure teachers (and administration) in recent years. I said they let go of three such rabbeim this year. For all I know, Rabbi Hayman had a more solid contract that couldn’t trivially be broken without some claim of breaching it, whereas the other staff-members didn’t negotiate as hard for employment guarantees.

        As for not needing this fuss… They created such fuss either way. As I already pointed out, they are either liable for slander by making the accusation, or slander for leaving it vague enough to imply crimes that far exceed the offence (eg if it is a school rule rather than law or halakhah that was violated), or liable for not involving law enforcement and not sharing all their information with the synagogue and camp that employ him to work with children.

        No matter what the facts, the school stuck its head into a legal noose. So I cannot draw conclusions about the facts from their behavior.

        • I absolutely agree. They have shown administrative incompetence of the highest order.

          BTW- I cannot find any listing of their posek or halachic advisory committee. So one wonders who are the halachic expert(s) consulted? Also did the ruling address what they were to say publicly?

          • Gee, Yerachmiel I wonder if you have any posek or halachic advisory before posting such blogs, completely lacking any proof whatsoever assuming that this man is guilty of sexual charges. You quote Rav Shmuel Kamenetsky in the next post. Why don’t you tell him every detail that you posted with all your facts (or lack thereof) exactly as it appears and see what he says? Ask him. I challenge you to do this.

            • there is no loshon horah issue with something already known, let alone if there is a toeles.

              Rav Shmuel is not my posek. I do consult with a well respected rav with smichah of the highest caliber and he supports and encourages this post.

            • There was no option to reply to your response, so I added the reply to my own comment but it is a reply to your repsone.

              “I do consult with a well respected rav with smichah of the highest caliber and he supports and encourages this post.” –
              Can you please mention this Rav by name? If he has the “shoulders” to say this blog is muttar in these circumstances, why don’t you say his name? I would like to ask him myself. Also maybe ask him this specific case, and not just the blog in general, where you have blogged about someone when this letter didn’t say one word of what you are suggesting he may have done.

              “there is no loshon horah issue with something already known, let alone if there is a toeles.”

              Actually the chofetz chaim list 7 conditions for lashon horah ltoeles. ( https://powerofspeech.org/the-family-lesson-a-day/the-seven-rules-of-toeles-article/ )

              Lets just look at a few of them:

              “The person has to know for sure that the action has occurred. If someone heard about Tzvi’s reckless driving from Nosson, he would not be allowed to repeat it (l’to’eles) unless he investi­gated the report and determined that it was true” – Your whole blog ruining someone is based on a letter which gave zero detail. You assumed the details.

              “When relating what happened, he must be careful not to exag­gerate. If Tzvi’s recklessness was limited to his swerving around corners without slowing down, this is all that should be said.” – This is more than exaggeration. It is making up the unknown.

              You’re using this letter to post a blog that someone may be a sexual abuser would be similar to someone saying that if a kashrus organization sent out a letter saying they had to remove their hechsher from a certain food company, the the owner of that company must be a murderer or rapist, and writing a blog post based on that letter.

              Imagine if a Rav said your blog post shouldn’t be read, (which they probably would) and the world spread rumors about you and your family ruining your life because of that, would that be fair?

              I imagine (or hope) you mean lishma, to protect innocent victims. But you can’t do that without much more proof than this letter. Even to surmise as such is going to far without wayyyyyyy more proof.

            • “BTW- I cannot find any listing of their posek or halachic advisory committee. So one wonders who are the halachic expert(s) consulted? Also did the ruling address what they were to say publicly?” -Yerachmiel Lopin

              Well then I wonder exactly the same about you if you can’t seem to list any posek or halachic committee

            • My credibility rests on 9.5 years of blogging with a very good track record of integrity (and even a willingess to admit I am wrong and correct/apologize when I make mistakes). But I have had very few mistakes and most of them were a number of years ago because I make it my business to learn from my mistakes).

              The other thing is to look at my reasoning which you can independently evaluate without recourse to my info from sources to which I have promised confidentiality.

              The fact is that the yeshiva could have gotten rid of him without that public letter by just not renewing his contract. That they did it close to the end of the school year tells us that it was not likely to be about money till the contract expired. So why would they publicize the firing (which invites questions about what happened till then and was the administration culpable). They are lawyered up the wazoo with a very pricey law firm (and presumably very competent). The firm wouldn’t allow its name to be used as cover if not true. Such firms routinely include a clause– if you misrepresent our findings we are no longer bound by client-attorney privilege and we can reveal how you misrepresented us.)

              Overwhelmingly, the firm’s motives for dismissal are to prevent possible future behavior which can create liability for tolerating abuse. No one hires a fancy firm to evaluate sub par teaching or haskafah or politics. So even before I did a deep dive into the facts it was pretty obvious that there was an abuse issue. Schools fire teachers all the time for all sorts of reasons, both newbies and old-timers. To date I have never seen a firing with some vague reference to the reason that did not involve abuse. Never.

            • You still have failed to name the so-called “well respected rav with smichah of the highest caliber and he supports and encourages this post”. Not sure why his name must be kept such a secret. Share his torah wisdom please.

              Oh, so you admit that your “credibility rests on 9.5 years of blogging with a very good track record of integrity”. So its not this rav its your integrity which you consult with for your halachic advice. Interesting

              “BTW- I cannot find any listing of their posek or halachic advisory committee. So one wonders who are the halachic expert(s) consulted? Also did the ruling address what they were to say publicly?” -Yerachmiel Lopin

              So you don’t either. Double Standard. Right. Halachic rulings are only for other people.

              Also don’t be too confident in “9.5 years of blogging with a very good track record of integrity”. I know someone who had 30 years of teaching with an outstanding record of integrity, and people come along and undo that pretty quickly….

            • You are repeating yourself. I will leave up to readers and the community to decide. I notce that Ahavath Torah still has not reinstated Hyman. What do you make of that?

        • When the Yeshiva of Spring Valley fired Chaim Abrahamson for sexual abuse (though they never said it publicly) Rav Shmuel Kamenetsky ruled they were not obliged to pay chodesh l’shanah (one month’s severance pay for each year worked). That was a norm established for US yeshiva teachers by R. Moshe Feinstein. It is accepted in the entire Yeshivish world and also upheld by the Beit Din of America. One wonder about this case.

  5. I attended this school, graduating in the mid to late 90s. I had Rabbi Hyman for 2nd grade. Although over 25 years ago, it was a positive experience. He was a very giddy “rebbe” with a contagious personality. He used to jump over desks for the kids. Now, I will say that he was more of a feely type of person but not in a bad way. It was a different time back then. Over the years I would bump into him now and then and he always had a smile on his face. Always would ask about my family. There needs to be more information here. His name is being dragged through the mud with very obscure data to back it up. He has a beautiful family and it is completely unfair to him. Now, if he actually did commit an indecent act, then by all means he should have been terminated. What I am trying to say is that there are alot of unknowns here and I seriously hope the charges were serious enough to destroy his family. Otherwise rabbi price and the YNJ administration have a lot to answer for.

    • I agree with you that the yeshiva is failing the community. I know for a fact that they know a lot more. Given the kind of questions you are asking they owe it to the community to say more.

      • Want to talk about YNJ? That school is the reason I am no longer an observant Jew. I had a teacher in 5th grade who took us on a shabbaton to his house in monsey, told us all to get in pajamas and had a pillow fight with us. Or the 6th grade “rebbe” who gave me detention since I did not open up my siddur. Or the 7th grade teacher who would tuck our shirts in and had a parent teacher conference at my friends bar mitzvah with myself and my father. Want to talk about this horrid school? From my class of 50+ students, maybe half have anything to do with Judaism anymore.

        Rabbi Hyman is the last person I would suspect to have done something in the realm of what he is being accused of. rabbi price needs to provide more information and / or rabbi hyman really needs to publish a statement

        • Just curious if you graduated in the last twenty years. Not sure about the Bar Mitzvah thing but Im pretty sure that a pillow fight like that would not have been tolerated any time recently. The seventh grade has been wearing three button collar (‘polo’) shirts for a very long time and those are not tucked in at all, not by students and definitely not by staff. Not saying you don’t have a right to be angry but my impression is that the school – unlike some in other areas- has been trying to right previous ‘wrongs’ on the part of the faculty.
          Agree with your second paragraph.

          • I graduated in 97. That pillow fight was bizarre, even at that time. A grown up “rebbe” in his pajamas hitting his students and going nuts with pillows. Was not right even back then. In my day we had to have our shirts tucked in. it was a rule. I am glad to hear it has become more lax. Most of the “rebbes” in the middle school were right wing religiously. The school purported to teach Judaism with a tang of guiltiness, similar to the catholic church philosophy. I have since moved on but from an emotional post traumatic stress aspect it still hurts.

        • The charges are 100% Bogus. I have sources from within the Yeshiva itself that there was nothing done and also know that another 7 teachers have also been accused and fired/told to leave.

          • It is always nice when folks throw around percentages and numbers. But let’s dig deeper.

            You know the charges are 100% bogus? How do you know that? To know that you have to know exactly what the charges are. Do you? What are they?

            You say 7 other teachers were accused and forced out So why is Hyman the only one about which there is a public letter to the parents of all the children in the school?

            I look forward to your answer. I say that because I live with a lot of attention to facts about people and I rarely encounter 100% certainty. So I am eager to find out if you are as wise as Shlomo Hamelech or someone who should never use the phrase, “b’li guzmah.”

            • Rabbi Hyman fought the charges with his own lawyers and made a big deal about it. He had a lot to lose as he is a youth director of a shul, director of a camp and so on. Because he fought back very strongly he was tried to make an example of and scare all. I think you Yerachmiel are looking to make a bigger deal of things to promote your blog about Sexual Abuse in the Jewish Community. I know that it does go on and have seen it plenty first hand. But i think it is extremely wrong of you to smear a Rabbi’s name without proper proof.

  6. YNJ is a disgrace of a school. They purport to be a modern orthodox institution while they hired all these right wing, anti Israel nut jobs to teach children

    • Its true that they hire right wing Judaic studies teachers but that doesn’t mean they are anti Israel (and if they are they are pretty good at keeping those opinions to themselves) and they certainly aren’t (all) nut jobs. I imagine there could be one or two 🙂

  7. That letter is scandalous. Really is. There’s no detail there. It makes everyone (myself included) think the worst, when the odds are high that the reality isn’t anywhere near where everyone’s imagination is going (and I say this because if it was so black and white there would be criminal charges and it wouldn’t have taken months to investigate). Not to mention you have thousands of people who have nothing but wonderful things to report about him. And as a result of all this a lifetime of indisputable great work is gone. (And I can’t imagine he’ll be able to find a job anytime soon) It’s just not right. Really isn’t. Either give detail and allow him to defend himself. Or say nothing. Horrible.

  8. I am totally disturbed by this whole situation. I am a YNJ graduate of 2001 and so mortified by the way the new administration is handling things. YNJ fired 4 Rebbeim and 1 Secular Studies teacher and have 2 more Judaic Studies teachers who were told to not return next year and conveniently they were all accused of “inappropriate” touching. I am not denying that unfortunately things do happen and need to be dealt with but the manner with which this was handled was extremely wrong. Shame on Rabbi Price!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  9. My child has Rabbi Hyman this year. We have a parent whatsapp group, not one person believes in the administration. We are collectively joining together to do something about this situation. Word on the street is that he gave a pat on the shoulder to someone 20 years ago and thats it.

    • Do you really believe that the admin would leave themselves open to a lawsuit for a “pat on the shoulder”, or are you a troll?

      • Yes, the administration seems that stupid as to leave themselves open to a huge lawsuit. There’s no evidence whatsoever, and if there were they would have shared it in there letter. The right doesn’t seem to know what right is anymore and do things that end up being wrong and damaging. Time to make this principal and school show their hand or insist on an apology to this poor man and his family.

        • You don’t need the word “seems”. Regardless of the facts of the case, the school is now open to litigation by one part or the other.

          Obviously if they are wrong, he can sue the school.

          If they are accusing him of something minor that shouldn’t be a legal matter, then letting people think the worse would still open the school up to a libel suit.

          And if the charges were accurate, and imaginations weren’t running away with people, then they wouldn’t have done enough and would be open to being sued by victims. How do you keep it a private matter, not tell other parents enough to find out if their kids might have also been affected, nor involve law enforcement?

    • Have you traced down the source of the single pat on the shoulder 20 years ago? I can tell you that Elimelech Meisels’ defenders claimed it was just one hug. He was subsequently charged with a rape and an attempted rape.

      I don’t know the facts here. But I will bet the folks spreading the “shoulder tap” theory also don’t.

    • jonathan g, my child also has Rabbi Hyman this year. Can I be added to the Whatsapp group? We are beside ourselves here…

    • Word on the street is often pretty garbled when playing telephone. That is especially true when there is a bias to minimizing the allegations because one has a favorable opinion of Rabbi Hyman. So carry on but try to critically evaluate incoming new info.

  10. Eddie: Spot on !! I just have to add here that we are among the thousands of people you mention that have nothing but wonderful things to report. We know Rabbi Hyman for many years. He taught our kids (girl/boys) in various settings. All of them loved him. We know many, many other parents of his students and the children in his youth program. This community is very aggressive about discussions with kids, especially over the last decade or so. We attended a seminar at YNJ around then which walked us through encouraging our children to report inappropriate behavior among other related topics. We often find ourselves in conversation with other parents on how to continue to keep the lines of communication open. Despite all that we never heard anything negative about Rabbi Hyman. Quite the opposite. Putting us in a position to inevitably think the worst does not seem to be the best way to handle this.

  11. Yerachmiel, what is the correct expression: a covern of trolls, a mob, a pack? Anyway, they’ve found you again, you’ve obviously touched a raw nerve.

    • You guys (Waks and Lopin) are both tools. Go get a life and stop getting off to the degradation of the Jewish people.

        • I must say, YL, even though I know absolutely nothing about this case at all, the tone of the comments is leading me to believe that something very serious went on…

          • Could you be a little clearer on what you mean by the “tone if the comments”. From what I’m reading most of the comments either don’t believe something happened or that it wasn’t anything sexual in nature. That doesn’t seem to me as if the tone shows “something very serious went on”. Unless and until evidence or proof is shown, then nothing went on and someone has disgraced this man, which is unforgivable. I wouldn’t want to be in any if these people’s shoes when Yom Kippur comes around.

            • I agree. I would like the yeshiva to say more about what is alleged. But in the meantime let’s not assume the accusers are nuts, lying, or hypersensitive.

              Missing from reactions by you is any sensitivity to the possibility that there are students/former students who were harmed by Hyman and they are showing courage and responsibility in bring their allegations forward. Missing from your tone is any sensitivity to how it probably feels to them to witness this howling mob of attackers who are “100% certain” that nothing happened. What is missing is any recognition that you and others in camp are slandering the accusers. People keep invoking loshon horah, but are strangely selective and are using it in a biased fashion to defend Hyman and slander those who accuse him.

      • busha v’cherpa, you and your chevra are seriously lacking in common sense ,, and more.
        Shame on you,

  12. None of this makes sense. I’ve known Rabbi Hyman for over 30 years. He’s one of the finest Rabbeim I’ve ever met. I can only hope enough people dig deeper into what happened and come to his defense. This is devastating to him, his family and his career. People, don’t be silent sheep. Help this man out before something terrible happens.

  13. I am not familiar with this blog but from what I can see it seems to be focused on sexual predators in the Jewish community. We have all heard and read terrible examples of this. Does anyone not think sexual predators are not one of the worst things in society?

    With this in mind I believe you should be EXTREMELY EXTREMELY cautious when “outing” someone you believe to be a predator who has neither been arrested and or found guilty of a crime. Why? It seems pretty obvious. You are destroying someone’s life by doing so. Not only his life but his wife’s life, his children’s life, his other relatives lives. So many people are impacted.

  14. Why a mob? Let’s be honest Yerachmiel admits to not really knowing the facts of the case. He mentions “sources” followed by I don’t know The specifics. I know that some people try and hide and defend predators but this doesn’t seem the case here from what the I’ve read Perhaps the Rabbi deserved to be fired or perhaps he didn’t. Do you really know? Be honest with yourself. To me it seems like you jumping to conclusions based on others having been found guilty.

  15. I want to make sure to add that whoever lodged the complaint should be given unconditional support and not questioned.

    • So you are for never questioning the accuser, guilty till proven innocent and no matter what the truth is, the accused is guilty just because someone accused them. Good to see what your upbringing was. Even the Torah doesn’t allow that way of thinking. That’s the reason for 2 witnesses.

      • U are faster on the slogans than the logic or facts.

        Let’s start with 2 witnesses. You are using the standard for punishments inflicted by sanhedrin for execution or lashes. By that same standard women and children are not qualified as witnesses. But in practical halacha, administrative decisions and even psak about matters like abuse can rely on single witnesses, children, women and non-Jews. If you don’t believe me, ask your rabbi.

        I sure as hell hope the law firm did a proper investigation of relevant witnesses and facts. I am sure the fancy firm they hired charged for skilled investigators and plenty of time to take over 2 months. So why are you saying I want anything but the truth or don’t care about carefully evaluating accusations?

        I do believe there are false accusations though they are rare. I do believe that accusations need to be investigated and evaluated before reaching conclusions.

        I know it is convenient for Hyman to claim that he wasn’t fairly evaluated. It is also true that prisons are full of people who claim they are innocent. And here and there a few are. But most are guilty (which is a separate question from whether sentences are too long).

        • yes, indeed. The matter of abuse is so extreme, that “even” women, lowly creatures, are accepted as edim. Stick that in your mysogenist skulls .

  16. This thread is very concerning to me. The email does not give many details, but there are obviously allegations that are not being made public, that were brought forward from people who felt victimized by this individual. As was mentioned before, just because something was not deemed criminal and therefore reportable to law enforcement, the behaviors were deemed as not appropriate for a Rebbe and warranted a termination. I do feel bad for him and his family as this is destroying him, however that does not mean that he did not act wrongly. For those who say they have known him for X amount of years, that does not prove whether someone acts morally or not – there is no logic there. and OF COURSE you never heard a bad word said, because there is a reason people don’t publicize victimization – why it often takes many years for these stories to come out, because there is so much shame and fear of retribution —- exactly what is happening now. No one on this thread knows what he was accused of, so how can anyone say the school acted wrongly? If my child was in his class, I would be thankful to know that the school does not take any chances with my child’s safety. it’s 2019 people, these things cannot and should not be covered up.

    • Feeling victimized is not the same as actually being victimized. Feeling someone wants to sexually assault you is not the same as actually being sexually assaulted. As for “the behaviors were deemed as not appropriate for a Rebbe”, no evidence or proof has been shown to substantiate that his behavior was deemed inappropriate. The community should know what the evidence and/or proof is so they decide if the accusations were substantiated and the punishment meted out correct. As of now, there is no evidence, no proof, no anything that allows this individual to refute the claims and clear his name. Yes, we have unfortunately had in our communities predators who did horrible, unspeakable things to our children and destroyed families. But all those people were accused, investigated, arrested, tried and convicted of their actions. Here we have nothing. Shouldn’t a person be allowed to defend himself against his accuser and attempt to clear his name before a school smears it and disgraces his whole family. That is what the Torah and Gemorah teach us about justice and determining the guilt or innocence of a person. Without these laws, anyone accused of something would always be guilty with no way to prove their innocence. I don’t believe in covering anything up or sweeping it under the rug. As a parent, I insist on the utmost safety and security for my child and all children. No one has a right to touch, hurt or do anything inappropriate to a child. Children are our most valuable treasure. But I am very familiar with children making unfounded accusations against people because they are angry about something and many lives have been destroyed, incorrectly, because claims were made before an investigation was done to see if the accusations were true. If the school wants us to trust their decision, they must make available to the community Rabbi’s at least, if not the whole community, their evidence and/or proof so we can be assured that both parties were heard and a proper and reasonable decision was made in this case.

      • You say: “I am very familiar with children making unfounded accusations against people because they are angry about something and many lives have been destroyed, incorrectly, because claims were made before an investigation was done to see if the accusations were true.”

        Actually adult lives ruined by false accusations by angry children are exceptionally rare. And an investigation was conducted. If anything the investigation should have gone further but clearly a law firm was willing to risk liability in recommending dismissal. Hyman will have grounds for a lawsuit if he can prove the investigation was shoddy.

        I agree that the school should have said more in its letter to the parents. But that does not prove the dismissal was unfounded.

        • “very familiar with children making unfounded accustations” B’emet? Please cite some examples. that is as rare as a snowflake in July. Do a survey of those of us following this and other blogs. I’ve never once heard of it, save in the rare case of a divorce fight.
          No, children do not make up stories re sexual abuse. Extraordinarily few cases where one parent manages to brainwash a kid.
          It does not happen. Period. It does not happen.

  17. I am not saying I have any idea what happened. However, I’d just like to mention that one way of thinking is clearly being underrepresented here, and that is Yerachmiel’s. The argument that “he is such a great rebbe and everyone says such glowing things about him” is naturally reasonable to most people. We believe what we see and know and don’t like to upend our status quo with doubts.

    The other side of the story is one that only those who have been affected can really appreciate. Does anyone here know what sexual abuse (in all its forms) can do to someone? How it can destroy their self-image? How they a victim can be so humiliated that reporting is completely out of the question? Or how a victim can be so scared to be branded as a liar and worse? If you haven’t gone through that or read up on it, or been involved with helping victims (like Yerachmiel has( who are being crucified by the community (victimizing them all over again)?

    If you cannot appreciate the side of the argument, try putting yourself in someone else’s shoes. Try reading up on the topic or doing a simple google search to find out how often victims make stories up (spoiler alert: it’s a VERY low percentage). Pay attention to how often the “he is gem of a human being” argument has been used, often with traumatic results. Then come back here and read the comments again with fresh eyes.

    • You eloquently expressed what I briefly and ineloquently tried to express in a couple of comments here. As Aviva wrote, it’s so sad that this is still not understood, and in my opinion, based on some of the comments here, often wilfully not understood…

    • I don’t think anyone argues with what you’re saying. And I don’t think anyone doesn’t appreciate the plight of the victim. I’m just not sure it’s relevant or applicable here. Any idea why?? Because that letter (and the school) didn’t provide any details. Heck, we don’t even know there are any victims. In the process we have posts from (well intentioned) parents asking how other schools will know not to hire him (see previous comment, that really was suggested!!) , we have others going on and on about victims (as if anyone would ever minimize the sensitivity of a victim) , and we have what we have always known to be, simply, a good man and family being ruined and found guilty in the public forum with no opportunity to defend himself, explain himself, confront his accuser, nothing. A person with no previous disciplinary issues in the past or today, not even any rumors of anything, who’s life is over in the community. It’s not fair. It’s not right. And anyone who chooses to draw any conclusions based on this letter or any other speculative nonsense is further continuing this rush to judgement. Let the facts come out. However they come out. And stop judging him.

      • How do you know Hyman has not had a chance to offer up his side? You ask how anyone can assume he did anything wrong? I ask why you are so sure he is a “good man” and not someone whose conduct was inappropriate for a rebbe?

        • How do i know he’s a good man? For starters, I know him. But more importantly he’s been involved in the community for decades, with no issues. He’s taught literally thousands of kids. He’s run multiple camps, shul youth programs, and multiple Pesach programs,, also with no issues (they keep asking him to come back so clearly they like him). And if you know anything about our community, this isn’t the type of community with parents that are shy, uptight to speak their mind, or take action. On the contrary, IMHO we all are way too involved and opinionated, myself included (different conversation of course). All anyone is asking for is to not have this massive rush to judgement, to be more transparent about what the allegations are, and to give him an opportunity to rebut them (and not ask questions like, “will other yeshivas know not to hire him” , and things that presume guilt).

          • Most folks who are sexually inappropriate with children seem just fine to others. That is just how it is. The simple answer to how does an abuser look? is just like anyone else.
            The MO community likes to pride itself on being so much better than charedim when it comes to misconduct. Yet so many of the comments here are identical in logic to what I have encountered when dealing with Charedi abusers including even ones who were convicted. The big difference is that the grammar, spelling, syntax and volcabulary is way better here. But the arguments are just more sophisticated versions of the Haredi ones. Just saying.

            • Another similarity with the Hareidi onslaught against revelations is the apparent vicious trolling using different names. In Australia we became adept at picking who the different trolls were…

            • “Yet so many of the comments here are identical in logic to what I have encountered when dealing with Charedi abusers including even ones who were convicted.”
              Even ones who were convicted? Are you saying that the contemporary MO community has defended abusers who were convicted just like the Charedim do?

              I really think we need to separate out what is going on here. Yes, many people like us were shocked and hard pressed to believe the very vague ‘allegations’ . I’m pretty sure that if the specifics come out and if they are indeed serious and believable accusations – the tone of the community’s comments will change.

              Until we have more details I think its unfair to suggest that everyone who has known and loved him for years shouldn’t have a forum… I absolutely believe victims should have safe space to come forward but what about his community? Are we not allowed that? Are all his students who loved him now required to hate him without further info? Why can’t we publicly say that he’s had a good reputation without being accused of being trolls or apparently worse “like the Chareidim?” If we get more info then we can choose to move on from ‘he’s always had a good reputation’ or we can then decide if its necessary to argue over whether the investigation was fair. let’s remember that once, not too long ago, a Supreme Court nominee was accused of behavior that many people thought was true and many people thought was not true. Somehow a lot of his friends (none of whom were known to be Chareidim btw) wrote a letter defending his character. And many people, generally not Chareidim later argued over whether the FBI investigation was “unfair”…. Is the MO Community not entitled to that because we happen to be closer to some other communities that have a very recent history of refusing to acknowledge anything even when faced with incriminating videos or jury convictions?

        • *Rabbi Hyman. Show some respect, he’s earned his smicha. You on the other hand are a muckraker who has obviously been very hurt by the Jewish community. I hope you find comfort in ruining an innocent man’s life, I also hope you enjoy the gehennom that is waiting for you in the world to come.

    • At no time did the letter from the school mention anything about sexual abuse. The only people mentioning sexual abuse are those in this forum, who probably have no idea what was found by YNJ. Since the school has decided not to share their information with everyone, I do not believe any talk of sexual abuse is warranted and only adds fuel to a fire which never should have been started. Unless there is someone on this forum who has undisputed proof of sexual misconduct, no insinuation of sexual misconduct should be mentioned or hinted at.

      • I have been following sex abuse in the orthodox community for ten years and have put up over 1,300 posts over that period. I have also broke the story on a number of those cases.

        Over the years I have seen a number of school letters about staff dismissals (as opposed to resignations). Never once, not a single time did a letter discuss a mid-year firing for some sort of staff misconduct that did not involve sexual misconduct. Not once.

        Moreover, the Hyman defense rumor mill has by its denials confirmed that the allegation involved something sexual. There are all these talks about just an accidental touch or just a pat on the shoulder. All these attempts admit physical contact by deny it was sexual or even intentional or substantial.

        So yeah, the question debated is whether the allegation is true, not whether the allegation is sexual in some form.

  18. No one has commented on the fact that the yeshivah’s letter says clearly that action was taken after an investigation by an independent firm of lawyers, who established the grounds for dismissal.

    It is wholly unrealistic to expect the details of the accusations (or the investigating lawyers findings) to be made public.

    Finally – that he was a popular teacher – see the classic piece on ‘The Pied Piper’ charismatic teacher in Jewish schools by Shaviv – google ‘pied piper shaviv’

    • Who were these lawyers, what are their qualifications and who says they are more qualified to investigate these accusations then the police and prosecutors office? What methods did they use to investigate these claims? Did Rabbi Hyman get a fair chance to defend himself against these accusations? Why are they afraid of sharing their findings? The police aren’t, and do after an investigation is completed and a person is found to have committed the crime and is arrested.

      All details don’t have to be published but a clearer description of the so called “accusations” should be made and we should be told Rabbi Hyman’s arguments in his defense. I’m sure he didn’t sit there just nodding along and agreeing with everything. And who were the so called “halachic advisors” who agreed to this investigations and the concluding actions? We should know which Rabbi’s were part of this so called “investigation”.

      The community has a right to, and the Rabbi’s of the community an obligation, to ensure that everything was done properly and in accordance with Torah law. To hold back information doesn’t help the situation and has probably made it worse with all the assumptions and hearsay now being spread.

      The leaders of YNJ have failed in how they handled this situation, the community has failed in compelling the school to disclose as much information as possible to reduce assumptions and hearsay, and the rabbi’s have failed in watching that the school’s in our community handle these types of situations properly and do not cause unnecessary harm and damage to a persons reputation and family.

      • They are major national firm and normally their divisions for such investigations are staffed by former prosecutors, cops and investigators who worked in sex crimes.

        Not all improper conduct by a teacher is criminally prosecutable though it can be the basis for a civil lawsuit. Additionally administrators can make decisions on the basis of preponderance of evidence rather than requiring proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

        Finally, a lot that is a OK in civil law is not OK for an orthodox Jew, let alone a yeshiva rebbe.

        I personally would welcome R. Hyman declaring he will bring a beit din case with the Rabbinical Council of Bergen County or a civil lawsuit. So far he has not said anything public, that I am aware of. All of your complaints about the Yeshiva (and I agree with some of them) also apply to Hyman. Why is hiding behind a rumor campaign instead of coming out himself and declaring his intentions.

        BTW, I see people claim he was not interviewed by the law firm. But I have not heard people claim the firm did not ask to interview Hyman. The way these things usually go down is that the firm asks for an interview but the accused on the advice of his lawyer exercises their legal perogative to refuse to be interviewed. I am guessing that is what happened in this case. But Hyman can clear this up by publicly stating on the record that he was never asked to agree to an interview. Of course, if he is lying he can then be sued for defaming the law firm. Hiding behind his rumor network seems to be his MO even though he focuses on accusing the yeshiva of doing that. INTERESTING!

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  20. We really don’t know all the details but it seems that there is a connection to the #MeToo Movement. As a result of this movement, more accusers are coming out of the woodworks with accusations that may or may not be based on reality and truth. Sometimes accusers are just retaliating for a bad grade or a personal vendetta and sometimes financial backers insist on halting their donations because they don’t like a particular teacher or Rebbe.

    What I hope will come of this mess, is that the the leadership of Rosenbaum Yeshiva will outline how they conducted their due diligence in their investigation of Rabbi Hyman because he is such a Tzaddik and excellent teacher. I don’t really know him professionally or personally, but I doubt that he is guilty of the accusations. Often in life, people can misinterpret or misconstrue behavior or actions. How can the leadership of Rosenbaum Yeshiva be 100% certain the accusation wasn’t a misinterpretation?????
    .

    • Yours is a funny interpretation of the #MeToo movement. You imagine that there are many false accusations. In fact we saw many predators whose reputations were unblemished for decades revealed for who they were. Even now, the fact is that many, in fact, most, abuse victims, do not go public or file charges even with schools or employers. And yes, some people lie about all sorts of things, including even claiming abuse. But it is so rare when it comes to sex abuse. And you know why. Because of this onslaught of attacks by people who know nothing about the accusers or the truth of their claims and yet they are being accused of all sorts of things. If you were abused, would you have the fortitude to take on this barrage?

      People tend to favor those they like in how they asses things. Anyone accusing R. Hyman had to know this. And do you know one of the favorite lines of abusers to keep victims quiet. “I am an important man. Nobody is going to believe you.” In fact, even if it is not said, it is often understood.

      So while you claim to just want the truth, you have prejudged it and slandered the accusers as liars. Apparently loshon horah is not a moral principle, just a tool to be used inconsistently.

      • Seems to me you’re also pre judging. The difference is your pre judging someone who’s reputation before this was impeccable, and your basis is that letter. Not ok.

    • Why is anyone convinced it was just one accusation? We have no idea if there was a group of people who came forward with similar stories. What then? All of them are not to be believed ? I don’t understand how anyone can have an opinion here without knowing. And perhaps not saying all the details were to protect his reputation somehow? So that it stays in rumors and not facts ? Who knows. And well liked rebbe who has worked in Yeshiva Ed for 20 years is the description for a heck of a lot of predators. It’s often those well liked and well established that feel that can do this and get away with it.

  21. And do you have proof that Rabbi Hyman is guilty of whatever? Do you have enough proof to ruin his career? Be honest.

    • I don’t have the proof but have some indications. I am reporting that the yeshiva feels it does. I am also not ruining his career. The yeshiva did when it sent out its letter to the parents of over a thousand kids. I am not sure why you are blaming me for accurately reporting the facts already known to so many people.

      • You’re not reporting facts You’re giving your own interpretations. And making assumptions based on your previous experiences. Really isn’t ok.

  22. Yerachmeil – stop implying that you are unbiased and simply reporting this objectively, nothing could be further from the truth. Your comments such as “[Rabbi Hyman] hiding behind his rumor network seems to be his MO” comes through in all posts. You can’t accuse anyone of prejudging, you have clearly done that from the very beginning when you wrote “I’m surprised his bio is still on the Shul Website”, perhaps it is still there because his community who knows him best stands behind him”

    • Or perhaps because the average level of local rabbinical judgment has not advanced since the Lanner era when repeat, overt abuse was only stopped by a Jewish News report and a subsequent criminal conviction for sexual assault on a child.

  23. I see a lot of talk about how the YNJ fired other teachers. It seems to me that if they just wanted to fire R. Hyman, they were free to do it without explanations by just letting his annual contract expire and not rehiring him. Even continuing to pay him hardly seems like a rationale for firing him mid year since it was done so close to the end of the year. Surely the school realized that writing such a letter would create some controversy and probably cost them some student enrollments next year.

    • Who said they could? Because you know the contents of his contract? I brought up the very real possibility that he got into this mess by getting the school to give him something close to tenure (he has been there 30 years after all) and now they need to invent justification.

      I am not saying that did happen. I am just saying it’s as plausible as everything else.

      More plausible than the school finding something horrendous on the guy, and yet not taking legal action. At this point, if he did do something significantly wrong, they could be sued by any future victims taking his bar mitzvah classes, in the synagogue youth groups, in camp, etc…

      This wishy-washy response is most consistent with them finding something they can point to, but not some heinous crime.

      You started out by posting an objective “this is what the school told the parents”. But when people started defending Hyman, your biases got kind of blatant.

      Of course, their defense shows their bias.

      As a former RYNJ parent, I am biased toward seeing him as innocent. The number of Teaneck rabbis — people whose congregants would be at risk — leaping to his defense means I am far from alone. Yes, that’s typical whether the person is guilty or innocent; the number of defenders doesn’t say anything.

      And please stop turning people’s irrational defense fitting the pattern as proof of the man’s guilt. (1) They would behave identically is he is innocent; and (2) the behavior of third parties doesn’t say anything about the man’s guilt or innocence. You’re stepping beyond pointing out their error and making it sound like “… and just like in those cases the guy was guilty, Hyman must e guilty too.”

      But I think the above argument that RYNJ’s response is inconsistent with finding a real crime, is a solid one regardless.

  24. The question keeps coming up, why do I surmise that the firing offense was sexual in nature. I have two main reasons:

    The language in the letter to parents is suggestive of it. “The Yeshiva … retained Arnold & Porter, a highly regarded national law firm to conduct an independent investigation. As a result of that process, it was determined that Rabbi Hyman’s conduct had been neither acceptable nor consistent with how a rebbe in our Yeshiva should interact with students. ”

    Nothing in the letter is explicitly about sexual misconduct but based on my familiarity with many such letters sent out by many private schools this sort of language is invariably about sexual misconduct. Schools don’t bother with such letters to justify other firings that happen all the time.

    2. While I do not know the exact nature of the findings of their investigation, I have heard accounts from others that R. Hyman’s behavior included a lot of creepy staring at girls’ breasts and a lot of “accidental” bumping into breasts. This sort of creepy is all but impossible to criminally prosecute. But it is clearly not acceptable in any teacher, let alone a rabbi who is supposed to model religious behavior.

    There is a problem with the subtle aspects of “creepy” behavior. Bergen’s MO parents may pride themselves on their kids being educated to report child sexual abuse. But that education is more effective when it comes to more overt and extreme forms of behavior. Imagine three reports by students:

    “Rabbi X put his hand under my skirt and touched my underwear.”
    “Rabbi Y bumped into me. I don’t like it.”
    “Rabbi Z was looked at me funny. It was creepy.”

    In the scenario with the hand under the skirt the girl would know it was wrong and that would empower her to be emphatic. Any sensitive and responsible parent would immediately pick up on it and action is likely to follow.

    But in the “creepy” scenarios 2 & 3, the girl (or boy) would be less confident about their complaint, more circumspect and hesitant in voicing their complaint, and perhaps way vaguer in describing it. A very attuned parent might well keep drawing out the complaint and eventually come up with a complaint to administration. And even then, administration might well reassure or dismiss. This is a fact about a great deal of subtle, creepy conduct especially by socially adept teachers who knows enough to layer on a veneer of plausible deniability.

    Now let’s add another factor- the effect of preconceptions on human perceptions of ambiguous cases. I emphasize ambiguity in contrast to clear cut situations. If a child reports the rabbi put a hand under a shirt and pinched a nipple, however much you thought the world of the rabbi till then, the new fact is too inconsistent with his image and too jarring to be dismissed or not even registered. But things are different when the cue is ambiguous. Many in the community think the world of R. Hyman and are unable to imagine him being sexually inappropriate. Ask yourself if you may have heard ambiguous faint allegations and they just did not register or did not get interpreted as sexual in nature. After all, sooner or later we all bump into someone by mistake. And sooner or later, perfectly innocent people give us a look we don’t like. Even if it was faintly voiced, if it did not register, the positive aura of R. Hyman’s reputation would continue on, undimmed by the student’s complaint.

    Besides, knowing the Rabbi’s great community reputation, many kids would be hesitant to voice their uncertainties.

    • Yerachmiel – So let’s review why you say he is guilty of sexual misconduct – “language in the letter is suggestive”, ” the Yeshiva retained Arnold & Porter” (I wonder who paid for them, I doubt the Yeshiva), “my familiarity with many such letters”, “while I do not know the exact nature of the findings”, and “I have heard of…creepy staring ..and accidental bumping”, in other words, you have absolutely no facts whatsoever. I have lived around the corner from Rabbi Hyman for 20 years and have never heard of any allegation, not ambiguous faint or otherwise. I will defend him until I am given substantiated facts to do otherwise, he has earned the support and the benefit of the doubt.

  25. i continue to read the statement YNJ put out and what isnt said is as important as what is said- namely that law enforcement was called. they consulted with “halachic” advisors, but not law enforcement? it would seem to me that if any law had be broken or it was something significant, the first call would be to law enforcement.

    the statement they put out seems to be left very vague on purpose and allows the reader to start having their mind run wild which may have been done intentionally by the school?

    here is the crazy part. what if hypothetically he bringing in non kosher snacks to give to kids and was doing so on purpose. that would be grounds for firing, would be a halcha issue, etc but certainly not a crime. but yet the letter is vague and thus it could be how he looked at girls or that he gave out non-kosher gum?

    if this was sexual in nature, they should state that so that others are warned and the authorities are alerted. but if it wasnt, they need to come out an state that as well so that no assumptions are made.

      • More than that, The yeshiva isn’t working with his other employers. Which, if they really thought he was dangerous, would be very immoral. That tells me more about the accusation than anything else. Either I shouldn’t trust the accuser altogether, or the infraction was far from the severe end of the scale. (As you suggested, staring or whatnot.)

        • You are right that ” if they really thought he was dangerous, would be very immoral.”

          OTOH if they thought he was unfit for work with children, not sharing the info with others would still make them irresponsible.

          And alas, there are still administrators who are dumb about reckoning the significance of lesser misconduct.

          In any event, the vagueness of the letter and the secretiveness about the process was irresponsible to their larger community. They have thrown an entire community into turmoil by their awful mixture of stating he did something wrong for a rebbe but not even communicating privately to others who rely on him.

          • That is only a problem if the assumption is incorrect. In which case, we’re dealing with the accusations of someone who hired a law firm to make sure he can prove due diligence, and then still left himself very exposed, legally. The whole thing just doesn’t add up.

            Regardless of what the truth is about Hyman, Price messed up far more than “just” being vague.

            I can understand why he comes off as a less-than-authoritative accuser.

            But I should bow out now. Enough speculation until more data comes in.

    • It is not as if his reputation was protected by this announcement. Not every detail is necessary, but the community is entitled to know whether the grounds for dismissal have implications for whether others should have him working with children as a religious educator.

  26. As tempted as I was to remove myself from this blog I need to reply. Regarding this comment, what’s the relevance (at this stage) to Rabbi Hyman? Was the point of that comment to educate your “viewers” on the habits of predators in general? Or are you suggesting this ties into Rabbi, who all we know (aside from your “sources”) is that ambiguous letter?

  27. Dear Friends,

    We wanted to let our membership know that Rabbi Hyman is taking a leave of absence from all of his responsibilities as Youth Rabbi for our shul.
    ​​​​​​​
    Rabbi Hyman has been a beloved fixture in our shul’s Youth Department for 29 years. Throughout his long tenure here, the shul has received absolutely no reports of any inappropriate behavior by Rabbi Hyman. We have received very incomplete information from RYNJ regarding its termination of Rabbi Hyman’s employment after 31 years. We are aware of a letter that has been recently sent out to the RYNJ community regarding such termination that is cryptic at best. We are also aware that Rabbi Hyman has retained legal counsel and is taking steps to challenge his termination and the damage to his reputation. As we are sure that our community understands, the shul leadership has been placed in a difficult position by this situation. Our primary responsibility is to the well-being of our children, but we do not wish to jump to conclusions and ask that our community refrain from doing the same. Every effort is being made to clarify the basis of RYNJ’s decision as quickly as possible and determine the best approach for our shul that takes into account our children’s well-being, fairness to all and Halachic considerations.

    This letter is an effort to maintain a dignified approach of transparency with our membership. Should anyone have any questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to reach out to us.

    Good Shabbos to all.

    Rabbi Poupko
    Michael Ratzker, President
    Jeremy Schwalbe, Chairman of the Board
    Executive Committee

  28. Email sent by Ahavath Torah to members today:

    Dear Friends,

    We wanted to let our membership know that Rabbi Hyman is taking a leave of absence from all of his responsibilities as Youth Rabbi for our shul.
    ​​​​​​​
    Rabbi Hyman has been a beloved fixture in our shul’s Youth Department for 29 years. Throughout his long tenure here, the shul has received absolutely no reports of any inappropriate behavior by Rabbi Hyman. We have received very incomplete information from RYNJ regarding its termination of Rabbi Hyman’s employment after 31 years. We are aware of a letter that has been recently sent out to the RYNJ community regarding such termination that is cryptic at best. We are also aware that Rabbi Hyman has retained legal counsel and is taking steps to challenge his termination and the damage to his reputation. As we are sure that our community understands, the shul leadership has been placed in a difficult position by this situation. Our primary responsibility is to the well-being of our children, but we do not wish to jump to conclusions and ask that our community refrain from doing the same. Every effort is being made to clarify the basis of RYNJ’s decision as quickly as possible and determine the best approach for our shul that takes into account our children’s well-being, fairness to all and Halachic considerations.

    This letter is an effort to maintain a dignified approach of transparency with our membership. Should anyone have any questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to reach out to us.

    Good Shabbos to all.

    Rabbi Poupko
    Michael Ratzker, President
    Jeremy Schwalbe, Chairman of the Board
    Executive Committee

  29. From someone in the know…I just learned that Ahavath Torah contacted YNJ and asked them to disclose or add detail to what they discovered. YNJ flat out refused to shred an ounce of light on the situation. Sounds to me like YNJ knows that if they disclosed what they actually know then they would look like fools. This whole thing stinks to high heaven. Just the fact that Rabbi Hyman is taking legal action indicates that YNJ has nothing on him and exercised terrible judgement in their handling of the situation. If YNJ had anything concrete, then Hyman would never in a million years engage in a legal proceeding that would bring these things to light.

    • It is equally possible, in fact likely, that RYNJ is an irresponsible organization that was lazily following a law firms suggestion about how to minimize risk without thinking about the larger community.

  30. Hi. I wrote a comment about lawyers a couple of hours ago, but not sure it went through. I wanted to check before resubmitting

  31. It looks like many of the commentors don’t understand how it works when a law firm like this is involved. I worked in an organization that went through a process like this. Arnold and Porter is the real deal. You call Arnold and Porter when your corporation is in trouble with the SEC and you need to investigate everything in the company and fix it up so you can show them you’re squeeky clean. You call them when you’re a defense contractor who got called in for a congressional hearing and needs to be represented by escort counsel who has knows everything there is to know about the company. You call them when you are government committee and you need a firm to lead a corruption probe. You call them when you’re a school or college that needs an independent investigation of employee misconduct allegations. You call them and then step back and let them take over.
    There is no way that that letter was out if the school’s lawyers didn’t advise them to send it based on the results of their investigation That’s the whole point of hiring them. The law firm’s investigation clearly found something that they thought warranted the school’s actions. There’s no way they sent out that email without the lawyers lawyers combing through every word for anything that could expose the school to litigation. The lawyers obviously felt that for some reason the text of the letter is, legally speaking, the best formulation. I’d bet the lawyers wrote the whole thing and told the and told the board: this is what Rabbi Price will send out. There’s also no way those hotshot lawyers would have advised the school to publicize false accusations this way in order to get out of Rabbi Hyman’s contract. Especially if he was as incredible a teacher as people keep writing he was.

    • I agree with everything you said. I would add on that the law firm’s priority is maximizing legal safety, not informing the community or even informing other employers. At that point the client can say we want to go wider. Penn state went way wider and exposed all that was wrong in the university’s handling of the case. YU went narrow and admitted the abuse but cast no light on who was involved in ignoring the abuse for years. Etc. So while I am guessing you are right that this was the law firms advice, RYNJ could have done better. In fact, the law firm may even have offered them several options and they chose this anemic, confusing option.

    • Susan – for all you know, Arnold and Porter wrote them one letter but the Rabbis thought they knew better and e-mailed out a totally different letter.

      • It is not likely that the yeshiva misrepresented the Arnold & Porter report in a significant way. Almost all contracts with such firms include a clause allowing the firm to break confidentiality if its findings are misrepresented.

        • I thought I was done speculating without having more of the facts, but I thought of a stronger variant of what I have been saying…

          New Jersey has mandatory reporting. A third party that has rescon to believe a child is being abused, or a school that has reason to suspect there could have been abuse, must report it. To quote the Dept of Children and Families (DCF) website:
          Currently, N.J.S.A. 18A: 36-25 requires that each district board of education develop policies for the early detection of missing and abused children which must provide for the notification to the appropriate law enforcement and child welfare authorities when a missing or abused child situation is suspected..

          A school cannot legally choose not to report ieven a reasonable suspicion of abuse. That’s not just about policing their own staff, that law includes any abuse. If they have reason to wonder if a child was abused by a parent, relative or neighbor, the school is legally obligated to contact law enforcement.

          RYNJ’s decision, in consultation with Arnold & Porter, was that they “terminated his employment and has determined that no further action is necessary at this time”,

          I think that is pretty solid grounds for concluding that they couldn’t have found anything subject to mandatory reporting laws.

          For that matter, since the law speaks of suspicion of abuse, had they thought he was being abusive, and had strong enough suspicion to warrant spending money on lawyers, they were legally required to call the police BEFORE bringing in lawyers and their own investigators. And Arnold & Porter would have told them so, and have corrected the situation immediately. That decision doesn’t require their investigation.

          As I said, I see legally counseled silence to be really strong evidence that whatever it is Price is writing about, it couldn’t have been even questionably what the law would consider abusive.

          • Micha, What you are missing is that the law is focused on children in danger whose situation can be investigated by protective services who can then take action to protect the child. But most reports of abuse happen decades after it happened. I personally can say I was past 50 before I shared my abuse with anyone. Had I reported it at the time my abuser could have been found guilty of sexual assault.

            In many cases an investigation is prompted by a survivor who is a decade or more past the abuse and the other cases that follow are also older history. Such cases are not subject to mandatory reporting because there is no child to be saved.

            The monumental failure of the 1989 RCBC Lanner Beit din grew out of the same phenomenon of delayed reporting. Lanner insisted that the beis din only focus on recent cases and they accepted the premise that the question of his being an abuser was linked to what he was like in the present. So while there were older survivors who were willing to testify, getting recent cases was much harder. Additionally, some of the recent cases were still under Lanner’s thumb and manipulated into either not testifying or lying to the beit din.

            We all know the consequence. Lanner got another 11 years to sexually assault girls (and physically assault boys) till the Jewish Week ran the story around year 2000. And mind you there were many victims, and most of BC was defending him in spite of a determined minority who knew of his behavior.

            Micha, all the legal advice may establish is that the firm did not identify any child currently being abused that they were able to name, determine was in danger from Hyman, and report.

            • Indeed, I was well over 50 before revealing to anyone (a therapist) that i had been abused as a child, circa 10 yrs old). The perp was dead by then, (not soon enough)
              As YL has also indicated, many never report , or report decades after the abuse. My abuser probably did not have a plethora of victims. but at least two. (not a Rabbi, nor an ortho camp counselor).

  32. You are 100% correct, unlike the people on this feed who are ignorant and intensely protective of this amazing Rabbi who they know for years and would never do anything inappropriate to make it on Yerachmiel Lopin’s Frum Follies blog.
    It’s hard to read the same comments with different wordage made by obnoxious and ignorant people. They alone are a huge part of destroying lives.

    • Well Aviva, I guess he MUST be guilty and deserving of having his life destroyed, after all, RYNJ sent out a letter with no facts at all and Yerachmeil has heard of creepy staring.

    • Sorry. I can’t find the word suspension in the letter from ahavath Torah. Could you please highlite it for me. Thanks

      • Potato, potatoh, tomato, tomatoh. He was given no choice but allowed the dignified option of calling it a leave when he was told he would otherwise be suspended.

        In common usage we say someone was fired even if he is called in and told, you are no longer going to be employed by us but if you wish you can say you resigned instead of saying you were fired. Even Donald Trump usually lets his dumped officials say they resigned. Like I said, potato, potatoh. But feel free to quibble.

        • After speaking this morning to many people in Ahavath Torah about their feelings on the matter, they all agreed it’s a farce and are putting together a fund for his legal expenses to help him clear his name. This doesn’t sound late potato or potatoh. This sounds like a community coming together to support a man they believe more than the school he was working for. And if he is as good an actor as you and some of the others on here say he is, then we will feel like the duped ones and you and the rest of the “guilty as charged” group can be the heroes.

          • I can predict the winner- the lawyer who will take this case not for contingency but being paid directly. If the case is solid, hungry lawyers should be lining up to take it on contingency. After all, if he was defamed, we are talking about deprivation of earnings for ~15 years, plus damage to reputation, harm in communal standing, emotional pain, etc, etc.

            If indeed you guys pony up the money for Hyman, remember the old adage about scams “If you don’t know who the mark is, you are IT.”

            Here is my prediction if he is given all the money he needs for a lawsuit–
            Reality will sink in for the lawyer once he gets the Arnold and & Porter report through discovery. At that point he will tell Hyman, “You do not want it to go to trial.” It is possible that at that point the school will settle for a nuisance amount and both parties would hide behind non-disclosures each to protect their image.

            But I would be willing to bet quite a bit that this will never end up in trial, even if he has unlimited legal funding.

            • Not just about the money. It’s his reputation, his families reputation and his children’s lives on the line. If indeed the school blew it, then at least let him have his reputation and dignity returned to him. It will never be the same but it will be something. And I’d bet that a member of the community who is a lawyer will be helping him in this. Let’s wait for the outcome.

            • Englewood lawyers are lining up to take his case probono, no will be taken. None seem to think there will be any real meat in the Arnold & Porter report either. But I do agree that it will probably not go to trial, these lawsuits usually end by settlement.

            • There is no question that R. Hyman has his supporters and they are not just fringe types. The question is what the lawyer will believe once discovery gives her or him a more complete picture.

  33. As a side note, there are eris an error in the original post: Hyman spent his mornings teaching 3rd grade boys. His mishnah class for 5th grade girls was a second and much smaller responsibility.

    And Ahavath Torah’s actions really only tar RYNJ. Their letter boils down to “we don’t know what’s going on either, but how can we keep him as a working staff-memeber at this point until we do?” There is no new data against R’ Hyman in it, only more evidence of how badly RYNJ is handling it.

    And again, had the findings been anything that did put Englewood kids at risk too, Arnold & Porter would have required RYNJ to speak up. Or else they are legally exposed for not telling the shul. It is thus hard to believe they found him to be dangerous, or capable of doing anything that would rise to the level of a lawsuit, and it takes far less grounds to get sued than to break the law.

    Whatever conduct that “had been neither acceptable nor consistent with how a rebbe in our Yeshiva should interact with students” they did find, I think the smoking gun here is that no lawyer would put their name on something that violates NJ Mandatory Reporting laws. All indications are that they didn’t find grounds to suspect actual abuse.

    • Thank you for noting the 2nd grade boys teaching. I have revised the post accordingly and put a correction note on the bottom.
      Regarding mandatory reporting, as I noted a short time ago in reply to your previous comment, there is no such legal obligation regarding a victim past the age of majority and no longer in danger. Mandatory reporting is about protecting children (or dependent adults such as those who are not mentally competent), not about prosecution, per se, of older crimes.

  34. Lol you are the biggest joke. Your kids must be so proud to have you as a father; looking up to someone who speaks such motzei Shem rah. Good luck in life. You will need it. YNJ messed up and blew this situation out of proportion and trust me they are paying for it. For anyone reading this, no one needs to put out any more details on the story. If anyone was in danger police would have gotten involved. Nothing was done just someone trying to cause drama and ruin another life because her life is terrible and feels the need to take it out on someone else. I know for a fact nothing was done.

    • One can know something was done. Unless you were with him 24/7/354 (12 month J lunar year). you cannot know that “nothing was done.”

      Not everything inappropriate for a rabbi is necessarily criminally prosecutable. Take for example the recent announcement by the Chief Rabbi of the UK that he was dismissing a senior dayan of the London Beth Din for an extramarital affair. Perfectly legal but utterly disqualifying for a dayan.

      Other behaviors are beyond the statute of limitations. Sometimes the victim is not willing to press charges.

      I will not bother to reply to other parts of your comment that are just petty nastiness to make up for the weakness of your argument.

      BTW- You are free to use pseudonyms here but not anonymous. It gets you confused with others.

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